Is it already Killing Season 2016 (List Management) after 2 rounds

[Luke Shannon]

How many players have played for a club and then played at another club only to return to their original club?
Might be interesting trivia

Trent Croad and Chris Tarrant

[dejavoodoo44]

How many players have played for a club and then played at another club only to return to their original club?
Might be interesting trivia

Warwick Capper springs to mind. And speaking of trivia, I did have to make the host of my local trivia night consult Dr Google, after the question, "At what club did Warwick Capper finish his career?" My team had the correct answer, but the host and many other people in the room reckoned it was the Brisbane Bears.

[Levii3]

Abe Davis 's brother Ben's playing well after returning from injury little annoyed we don't get first shot at him in the draft he's 187cm seems good around goal kicked four on the weekend against Tasmania seems ideal replacement for when Heeney moves into the midfield

[Cosmic Wizard]

I would love Marchbank at the Swans, but what would be the reason for him to want to come to the Swans? It's not like McCarthy and a go home factor; he'll still be in Sydney. If he's fit, the Giants will most likely play him in the seniors, so he's going to see finals action. And I don't know what we've got in players or draft picks that the Giants might want in a trade. I just can't see how we get him.

No club will offer a second year player truely silly money.

All players want to win a GF, and how many club are truely in the window, not certain those Melbourne clubs who had one win on the weekend.

We do have the money, and we are more than capable of winning a flag, so why not us.

GWS do have salary restraints; far too many good players, and a backman might just slip through to us! Just like Buddy

[Mug Punter]

No club will offer a second year player truely silly money.

All players want to win a GF, and how many club are truely in the window, not certain those Melbourne clubs who had one win on the weekend.

We do have the money, and we are more than capable of winning a flag, so why not us.

GWS do have salary restraints; far too many good players, and a backman might just slip through to us! Just like Buddy

Marchbank sounds like he would be a good recruit and GWS may well take our first rounder for him for the points. But we'd then be left to find someone to trade Towers too. Having said that I firmly believe we'll be looking for a more established KPD but I'd take a punt on this kid. He'd probably be cheaper and GWS could well be willing sellers. He'd be staying in the best city in Australia with the best club in terms of player and personal development. Seriously, how glad must parents be when they hear theor kids are coming up here when they read about WCE and the culture at Melbourne clubs like Collingwood.

The whole list issue must be providing KB with a headache albeit a good one as so many of our fringies have come good this year (e.g. Marsh and AA). Crikey even Xav is scoring for fun up front, surely he isn't making a late pitch for his spot on the list.

The more I see it we will trade a player (Towers I reckon) either for a future pick or as a bundle for our first rounder and we'll get a KPD in.

We're then looking at TDx and Ted and Xav out, assuming we can't release Hiscox due to the academy kids getting three year deals.

We'll upgrade Papley as our long term replacement for Benny and Marsh. Colin will be kept on as a rookie but could well be upgraded for AJ from round 1. that leaves us two draft picks even though nobody has been able to explain to me, after listing the AFL rules, why we cannot draft only one and upgrade two. Sigh....

So, to make this happen we may need to increase our senior list from 38 to 39 which is of course allowable given we can accommodate the cap and from the explosion in cap space next year we should be able to do that.

If our long term strategy is a list of 38 then we should be able to return to that in 2018 as at the end of next year we'll have Jarrad and Benny retiring and a raft of players at risk of de-listing (two or three of BJ, Hiscox, Tyrone and Dawson). We'd upgrade O'Riordan and then take three at least from the draft as our first batch of Day 1 academy recruits (kids who have been through a complete Academy lifecycle) start to come online.

[Ludwig]

GWS has made it clear that they really want to keep Marchbank. He was a #6 draft pick, which shows how highly they rate him. And when he was fit, they played him in the seniors.

I have no idea what Marchbank is thinking or where he wants to play. There's always going to be speculation surrounding a promising young player on a list overflowing with talent.

I think we'd trade our first rounder with barely a second thought to get Marchbank, but I doubt that will happen. He's only 2nd year player, but has shown plenty already and I doubt that a player of his quality will be available when our first pick comes up.

[Mug Punter]

GWS has made it clear that they really want to keep Marchbank. He was a #6 draft pick, which shows how highly they rate him. And when he was fit, they played him in the seniors.

I have no idea what Marchbank is thinking or where he wants to play. There's always going to be speculation surrounding a promising young player on a list overflowing with talent.

I think we'd trade our first rounder with barely a second thought to get Marchbank, but I doubt that will happen. He's only 2nd year player, but has shown plenty already and I doubt that a player of his quality will be available when our first pick comes up.

Yep, it would be a highly ambitious trade but GWS may not have a lot of say in this one if the reports of them being $600,000 over their 2017 salary cap, as it currently stands, is true.

He can be a required player all they like but if his new deal is an additional $250,000 + on his rookie contract then they suddenly have to find $800,000+ in other savings to keep him. And who is going to leave that place when they are getting 20-30% over their market value? Could they have a major salary cap crisis? Given the way they have chronically mismanaged every other aspect of their life so far I see no reason why not.

And when you consider that for 2017 those Muppets have an additional $640,000 salary cap under their concessions then perhaps the doomsday scenarios re their list touted by people like, errrrm me, may be a bit OTT. Clearly they are paying exhorbitant overs to their players to keep them at that sheltered workshop and it shows. Have a look at that big sook Jeremy Cameron when things don't go right, that's what happens when you pay a bloke a million a year when he has done nothing in the game.

Of course GWS will be banking on an increased cap but I wouldn't be so sure of that for 2017. I can see a much more incremental approach to the capo increases and certainly not a Big Bang increase in 2017.

So, if they can't afford to keep him, and that's the only way he'll be allowed to leave then they may well decide that going to us is the best deal given the rubbish they are copping from the Melbourne mafia.

A long shot I agree but I see some serious issues at GWS if they happen to crumble and miss the finals this year.

[chalbilto]

Yep, it would be a highly ambitious trade but GWS may not have a lot of say in this one if the reports of them being $600,000 over their 2017 salary cap, as it currently stands, is true.

He can be a required player all they like but if his new deal is an additional $250,000 + on his rookie contract then they suddenly have to find $800,000+ in other savings to keep him. And who is going to leave that place when they are getting 20-30% over their market value? Could they have a major salary cap crisis? Given the way they have chronically mismanaged every other aspect of their life so far I see no reason why not.

And when you consider that for 2017 those Muppets have an additional $640,000 salary cap under their concessions then perhaps the doomsday scenarios re their list touted by people like, errrrm me, may be a bit OTT. Clearly they are paying exhorbitant overs to their players to keep them at that sheltered workshop and it shows. Have a look at that big sook Jeremy Cameron when things don't go right, that's what happens when you pay a bloke a million a year when he has done nothing in the game.

Of course GWS will be banking on an increased cap but I wouldn't be so sure of that for 2017. I can see a much more incremental approach to the capo increases and certainly not a Big Bang increase in 2017.

So, if they can't afford to keep him, and that's the only way he'll be allowed to leave then they may well decide that going to us is the best deal given the rubbish they are copping from the Melbourne mafia.

A long shot I agree but I see some serious issues at GWS if they happen to crumble and miss the finals this year.

Will not happen. I think that the Swans will beat them today but they have a very good draw to finish the season where they play against 8 sides below them in the ladder and only 2 in the top eight viz;Bombers, Blues, Pies, Lions, Port, Tigers, Suns, West Coast, Freo & Kangas.,
Not being privy to the machinations of salary caps etc I would assume that all clubs and player managers would be expecting a substantial increase in the salary cap which I believe the Swans factored in with their contact with Buddy.

[aardvark]

A couple of speedy outside mids wouldn't go astray......

[azzzr]

A couple of speedy outside mids wouldn't go astray......

GWS is the only team which makes me feel like we need one, everyone else we cover it up somehow?

[Mug Punter]

Will not happen. I think that the Swans will beat them today but they have a very good draw to finish the season where they play against 8 sides below them in the ladder and only 2 in the top eight viz;Bombers, Blues, Pies, Lions, Port, Tigers, Suns, West Coast, Freo & Kangas.,
Not being privy to the machinations of salary caps etc I would assume that all clubs and player managers would be expecting a substantial increase in the salary cap which I believe the Swans factored in with their contact with Buddy.

That run in scary. They are every chance of getting top two, and if they get on a roll they can win it.

And then the fun will begin......

[barry]

Oh how i would love GWS to host swans in a final at ANZ.

This board would go into meltdown. Mugs head would explode.

Lols

[Ludwig]

A couple of speedy outside mids wouldn't go astray......

We probably felt we had them our list, but they haven't really come good so far. Towers, Cunningham and BJ would offer plenty of outside pace, but they're not damaging players, in fact, hardly AFL level players.

Colin O'Riordan has a bit of pace, although not like the ones mentioned above, and Nic Newman could offer some Malceski sort of pace if he came into the seniors. They both look promising players.

[mcs]

Oh how i would love GWS to host swans in a final at ANZ.

This board would go into meltdown. Mugs head would explode.

Lols

More likely we would just laugh at your pathetic efforts to try and be an internet troll. I think most here wouldn't give two hoots, although I guess you'd be excited to actually go to an AFL game live this season....

[Nico]

We probably felt we had them our list, but they haven't really come good so far. Towers, Cunningham and BJ would offer plenty of outside pace, but they're not damaging players, in fact, hardly AFL level players.

Colin O'Riordan has a bit of pace, although not like the ones mentioned above, and Nic Newman could offer some Malceski sort of pace if he came into the seniors. They both look promising players.

Mills into the midfield anyone? Obvious move to me.