Is it already Killing Season 2016 (List Management) after 2 rounds

[Nico]

re Aliir, he was a basketballer until he was about 16 or so.

So was Jessie White.

[Maltopia]

So was Jessie White.

I am just pointing out the obvious reason that Mug Punter was alluding to re why Aliir's development is behind others who were drafted four years ago. He is coming from a long way back so it is unrealistic to expect him to be in our best 30 right now.

[Mug Punter]

Another of the old; "Ted retiring posts".

\What are the obvious reasons?

I hope I am proved Ted wrong as I'd love to see him go around again but as one of my favourite players I'd hate to see him go a season too long.

The obvious reason for Aliir is that he started playing the game a lot later than all of his fellow draftees, mid teens I think...

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So was Jessie White.

Point made.....

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I am just pointing out the obvious reason that Mug Punter was alluding to re why Aliir's development is behind others who were drafted four years ago. He is coming from a long way back so it is unrealistic to expect him to be in our best 30 right now.

He is but he is a rudely gifted athlete and once he finally works out this game he could be a superstar. I'd love it if we had him on one flank and O'Riordan on the other just carving it up

[Cosmic Wizard]

At the start of the thread I predicted that the Swans would only keep one of Alire or X. Richards. They seem to have made their choice.

With Talia and Reid likely to be available for the 2nd half of the year (Talia is now listed at 2-3 weeks), I don't see X. Richards having an opportunity to turn his fortunes around.

At the start of the season i and many other said Robbo would be gone as well.

But giving him game after game improved his confidence and skill level.

We should at least try XR if we can.

But also we have has Talia and Richards injured for long periods: if XR is on a low salary, might as well keep here for cover.

[707]

So as the season progresses we are getting a better idea of who may be moving on at years end and it has to be those out of contract.

Derickx is definitely gone. Only likely retirement is Ted depending on how he goes this year could play another as third tall, he does read the play well. X is a likely casualty you would think. AJ is in the lap of the gods. McGlynn still seems to be in favour.

Rookie list - Papley definite upgrade, and if he keeps improving O'Riordan. Marsh must have run out of time. The others will decide their own fate through the rest of the season.

Interesting times at years end because I can't see us having too many spots vacant, particularly if we trade someone in. Could be we have a quiet time at the ND, maybe we can swap later picks to GWS, Bris or GC for an early pick upgrade this year, particularly GWS who have a heap of high academy players to snare.

[Mug Punter]

So as the season progresses we are getting a better idea of who may be moving on at years end and it has to be those out of contract.

Derickx is definitely gone. Only likely retirement is Ted depending on how he goes this year could play another as third tall, he does read the play well. X is a likely casualty you would think. AJ is in the lap of the gods. McGlynn still seems to be in favour.

Rookie list - Papley definite upgrade, and if he keeps improving O'Riordan. Marsh must have run out of time. The others will decide their own fate through the rest of the season.

Interesting times at years end because I can't see us having too many spots vacant, particularly if we trade someone in. Could be we have a quiet time at the ND, maybe we can swap later picks to GWS, Bris or GC for an early pick upgrade this year, particularly GWS who have a heap of high academy players to snare.

I'd see X, Ted, Jack Hiscox, T Dx and AJ as being the five delists. Towers is also a popular de-listing at the moment after his effort last night but I think he'll stay.

That would cover Papley and O'Riordan who both should be upgraded and three draftees, or maybe Newman as well will be upgraded though I personally don't see what all the fuss is about with him. Maybe we'll trade out or first round pick for an established KPD and only take rounds 2 and 3 this year.

Or maybe we'll trade out a player for a gun KPD. Mitchell and Reid are the two players that jump out at you when you start talking Hurley to Swans for instance.

Whether I'm spouting rubbish or not I think we'll be very active this year end

[The Big Cat]

Or maybe we'll trade out a player for a gun KPD. Mitchell and Reid are the two players that jump out at you when you start talking Hurley to Swans for instance.

Whether I'm spouting rubbish or not I think we'll be very active this year end

Reid has more upside than Hurley

[0918330512]

At the start of the thread I predicted that the Swans would only keep one of Alire or X. Richards. They seem to have made their choice.

His name is Aliir - it's pretty much always spelled out twice whenever you see it.

[Luke Shannon]

Latest prediction:

Retired:

- Ted Richards

- Ben Mcglynn - probably could do 2017, but there are younger players who can play his role at better monetary value.

- Alex Johnson - out of time and too many rookie upgrades to make.

Delisting

Tom D

X. Richards

Potential trade outs

- Towers - probably needs a new start and we could use the 4th round points.

- Mitchell - has not signed and midfield time is diminishing. Pick 10-20 of value. Probably a future pick if there is some academy talent to come at the end of 2017.

That is 7 outs:

Ins

Rookie Upgrades:

- Papley
- Marsh
- Melican

I think Newman will get the one 3rd year rookie spot.

- O'riden can be a 2nd year rookie and be upgraded if need be.

- Jordan Foote will probably be delisted.

That leaves 4 spots

Trade

- Trengrove from Melbourne. Offer midfield depth and be good value in trade. Regaining fitness and form in VFL. Ex captain of Melbourne.

Delisted free agent

Jesse White

- At 29 years of age he could provide some useful cover if Buddy or Tippett go down and can now fill in down back. Would have to be a low salary.

National Draft:

I believe it only has to be two selections if you have upgraded rookies.

One KPD and one utility.

[mcs]

Delisted free agent

Jesse White

- At 29 years of age he could provide some useful cover if Buddy or Tippett go down and can now fill in down back. Would have to be a low salary.

Keep on those happy drugs Ma.... Luke!

[Dosser]

Reading on the AFL site that GWS's Caleb Marchbank is out of contract at the end of this season. Apparently Saints and Blues are interested in him as a KPD but the report says he is happy in Sydney. Also, GWS needs to offload about $600k of salary cap. Interesting...

[Industrial Fan]

LOL Jesse White

[Ludwig]

Reading on the AFL site that GWS's Caleb Marchbank is out of contract at the end of this season. Apparently Saints and Blues are interested in him as a KPD but the report says he is happy in Sydney. Also, GWS needs to offload about $600k of salary cap. Interesting...

The Giants love Marchbank; I doubt they will let him go. Tomlinson is probably off to Victoria. They still have 4 very good young key defenders in Davis, Marchbank, Corr and Haynes. And Parfull is not finished yet. This year they will be adding a likely top 5 pick in Harrison McCreadie. So the glass is very full indeed. I think the Giants will try to keep the lot. The one they may let go is Jeremy Finlayson, who went low in the draft, but looks a good prospect and should be cheap. I wouldn't mind Tim Mohr, except he's had a few too many injuries and closer the end of his career, but if they can't trade him he could be delisted. They will probably keep him if they lose Marchbank.

Another one I'd be looking at is Jack Leslie from the Suns. He was a pick 20 in the 2013 draft. He played very well against us in the reserves. He seems to be 5th in line for key defenders behind Thompson, May, Day, and Henry Schade. They also have Kolodjashnij and Clay Cameron, who can play as a 3rd tall. I think Leslie is out of contract as well. I'd give them our 2nd rounder and throw in Dean Towers.

As for the salary cap, I don't think we are in a position to outbid clubs making crazy offers to players on the move. There are some decent pickings further down the pecking order on the expansion club rosters.

[Mug Punter]

The Giants love Marchbank; I doubt they will let him go. Tomlinson is probably off to Victoria. They still have 4 very good young key defenders in Davis, Marchbank, Corr and Haynes. And Parfull is not finished yet. This year they will be adding a likely top 5 pick in Harrison McCreadie. So the glass is very full indeed. I think the Giants will try to keep the lot. The one they may let go is Jeremy Finlayson, who went low in the draft, but looks a good prospect and should be cheap. I wouldn't mind Tim Mohr, except he's had a few too many injuries and closer the end of his career, but if they can't trade him he could be delisted. They will probably keep him if they lose Marchbank.

Another one I'd be looking at is Jack Leslie from the Suns. He was a pick 20 in the 2013 draft. He played very well against us in the reserves. He seems to be 5th in line for key defenders behind Thompson, May, Day, and Henry Schade. They also have Kolodjashnij and Clay Cameron, who can play as a 3rd tall. I think Leslie is out of contract as well. I'd give them our 2nd rounder and throw in Dean Towers.

As for the salary cap, I don't think we are in a position to outbid clubs making crazy offers to players on the move. There are some decent pickings further down the pecking order on the expansion club rosters.

One of the many advantages we rightly get with the Academy is the ability to choose.

By that I mean if we have 5 or 6 draftable players a year (as I hope we will) we will probably only be able to afford 2 or maybe 3 depending on where they go. And I suspect we may deliberately let a few go over the years just to share the talent and let other clubs benefit (but not the ones we REALLY want). So, right now if we had four AFL standard mids and two KPDs then you know who we'd be selecting. It really will help with the list management.

Also, am I imagining things or did someone just suggest we draft Jesse White? Incredible

[longmile]

LOL Jesse White

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