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  • churry
    Warming the Bench
    • Mar 2014
    • 238

    Originally posted by The Big Cat
    Keep Tippo and be in the hunt for the flag. Rely on Nanka and it is mediocityville.

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    The Mitchell dilemma can be easily solved - Nine year deal back ended when Buddy finishes. But then again, we can't have everybody!
    Or keep tippett and be in medicocityville? Tippett was fantastic in the first half of the year and everyone's a fan when fit. He hadn't played enough to impact in the finals and has consistently struggled to stay fit. If I had to choose between him and Tom Mitchell, I'd take Mitchell for sure.
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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8149

      I know its a bit off topic, but here comes the war on GWS, led by quadruple chins himself:

      Collingwood president Eddie McGuire suggests GWS Giants sit out next two AFL drafts

      So he proposes to even up the draft by corrupting it even further
      "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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      • Industrial Fan
        Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
        • Aug 2006
        • 3317

        After the pies give them a future pick no less ????

        What an ongoing toolbag
        He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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        • snajik
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2003
          • 1115

          Yet he had no issue with hawthorn winning three successive premierships. It's only an uneven competition when there is a non-Victorian team involved.
          It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
          The Scarlatti Tilt - Richard Brautigan

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          • Billericay
            Regular in the Side
            • May 2013
            • 712

            Originally posted by snajik
            Yet he had no issue with hawthorn winning three successive premierships. It's only an uneven competition when there is a non-Victorian team involved.
            And the Giants haven't won anything yet.

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              Originally posted by Mug Punter
              Sheesh Ludwig you're really entering rebuild territory there.

              I think we'll be much more incremental and largely grow the list from within. Listening now to Jake Niall on OTC seems to confirm that and that we won't be huge players in the market

              With a bit of luck we'll be able to get Pick 17 and perhaps pick 21 from the Lions (Towers upgrade). We may well get the Hawks' picks 14 and 32 if Gold Coast look to not throwing all their eggs in one draft basket. And whatever we get for Nanka will probably get us Olango if we rate him.

              If we get picks 14, 17, 21 and 32 plus Brown then we should be able to get some good talent through. But then we also need to upgrade at least 2 players so that means seven de-listings or retirements - Ted, Jack, TomD, TomM and Towers is all I come up with, unless we get rid of BJ and Robbo, so on the face of it I think we'll be getting at least one future pick as part of any Tom M deal
              I'm not sure if you mean Brandon Jack or Jack Hiscox, but you can add the one you left out. Then there's McGlynn and a ruckman which makes 7 or 8 out.

              If we resign Mitchell, then I think Macca should retire. He will hold back the development of the midfield if he plays.

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              • Ludwig
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2007
                • 9359

                Originally posted by mcs
                I know its a bit off topic, but here comes the war on GWS, led by quadruple chins himself:

                Collingwood president Eddie McGuire suggests GWS Giants sit out next two AFL drafts

                So he proposes to even up the draft by corrupting it even further
                Eddie should request to be put into an induced coma and sit out the next two years of life, then he won't be so upset about who the Giants draft.

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                • Mug Punter
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 3325

                  Originally posted by mcs
                  I know its a bit off topic, but here comes the war on GWS, led by quadruple chins himself:

                  Collingwood president Eddie McGuire suggests GWS Giants sit out next two AFL drafts

                  So he proposes to even up the draft by corrupting it even further
                  But when the Hawks win three in a row there is no issue at all.

                  Surely this will be treated with the contempt that it deserves, it is gobsmackingly ignorant and just makes my blood boil. They are happy to have teamns from Qld and NSW as long as we are not any good.

                  The AFL and all its clubs signed off on these concessions so they should just let the GWS experiment ride itself out, and it will. So just let them have just a tiny bit of success please Knucklehead before you start picked at the carcass once free agency becomes a major issue for that club.

                  I know this won't happen but if it does then the four Northern Clubs should seriously consider boycotting a round of the H&A and the GWS Board, sponsors and coaching staff should all just resign en masse.

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                  • Mug Punter
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 3325

                    Originally posted by mcs
                    The clear key for us is to improve our 'bottom six' - the old adage in that is where you win or lose a grand final was evident on Saturday.

                    Some improvement hopefully will come from the return of a couple of players (Aliir and Reid) and maybe a surprise packet or two (Newman looks the most obvious), some will come hopefully from natural improvement from players like Papley and Hewett, and maybe there might be 1 or 2 changes to the 22 through trading or drafting. I can't see us being heavily active in the trade window, rather more so at consolidating what we have, and maybe looking for a decent recycled player or two if they fit our plans on decent coin.
                    +1 , think this spot on and for those suggesting we should trade BJ he has a contract - we expect players to honour contracts and we should do the same. Having said that, IF a club came in for him then the club should put any offer to Brandon and let him make a decision re his career. But trying to ship him off the payroll is not what we should be about IMO.

                    We usually try and bring one established player in to freshen up the list and I think this trade period will be no different.

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                    • tlock
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Sep 2016
                      • 120

                      Would the Swans and Hawks consider a straight swap? Tom Mitchell for Luke Bruest
                      We need to spread the goal kickers around and be less reliant on Franklin. Furthermore, Bruest would be on less coin.

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                      • Captain
                        Captain of the Side
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 3602

                        I would trade Tippett and Rohan to free up cash. After two poor grand finals, I don't think we would miss much.

                        We need to keep Mitchell. This cash would help keep him and also give us money in the tank to target another prized recruit. Someone like Breust would be perfect.

                        Tippett to Hawks for Breust +a 2nd round pick. Rohan to Cats for a 2nd round pick. Keep Mitchell.

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                        • Mug Punter
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 3325

                          Originally posted by tlock
                          Would the Swans and Hawks consider a straight swap? Tom Mitchell for Luke Bruest
                          We need to spread the goal kickers around and be less reliant on Franklin. Furthermore, Bruest would be on less coin.
                          Throw in a pick around the 25 mark as well and I suspect we would be seriously tempted. We could then either have three picks in the top 25 (assuming we get an upgrade on our pick 35 with Towers) or bundle our two second rounders with our third rounder and make a player for GWS' Pick 7. Assuming of course they are not banned from the draft because they actually won a final

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                          • Mug Punter
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 3325

                            Originally posted by Captain
                            I would trade Tippett and Rohan to free up cash. After two poor grand finals, I don't think we would miss much.

                            We need to keep Mitchell. This cash would help keep him and also give us money in the tank to target another prized recruit. Someone like Breust would be perfect.

                            Tippett to Hawks for Breust +a 2nd round pick. Rohan to Cats for a 2nd round pick. Keep Mitchell.
                            For mine talking of trading Tippett is insane.

                            He is clearly a better ruckman and offensive weapon than Nankervis who is who we would keep instead.

                            If we are over-paying him, and as none of us actually know the details of his deal this is pure conjecture (but I am prepared to speculate his high initial deal was to secure the PSD selection and that the option years are much more palatable), then we will have to subsidise any "over-payment" to another club anyway so I can't see any logic in the "get him off the wage bill" argument. And at his age and recent form we'd be lucky to get a second rounder.

                            We know what Gary brings and you just hope they can get him right in the head but at his best he really does give us something different.

                            Agree about the keep Mitchell though, more so than ever after his finals series.

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                            • stevoswan
                              Veterans List
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8543

                              A lot of people wanting to offload Rohan, but a lot complain we lack speed. I know he hasn't set it alight in finals, but he has an X factor and I think he should be given one more season to 'click'. If he fails, trade time.....

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                              • Mug Punter
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 3325

                                Originally posted by stevoswan
                                A lot of people wanting to offload Rohan, but a lot complain we lack speed. I know he hasn't set it alight in finals, but he has an X factor and I think he should be given one more season to 'click'. If he fails, trade time.....
                                Yeah but he is under contract, love how we all treat our players as chess pieces (yep, I'm guilty of it too). If he fires then we'll want to keep him, if he doesn't then the only way we'll be able to trade him is to pay massive amounts of his salary while he inevitably hits career best form for another club. We pick and stick at the Swans, how can we expect players to honour a contract when we won't do the same?

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