2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[Mug Punter]

Are the CBA negations still ongoing or finished?

Still ongoing but miles apart from all reports, a farcical situation for clubs that need certainty in respect of offering new contracts.

I imagine this is a huge issue in us determining our final offer to Tom

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-...1f69430baaa82d is an interesting article. Personally I fully support the players getting what they fully deserve as lon as t hey don't get too greedy. I find Schwarz, who is quoted in that article, a prize prat

If you take the increase of $167m a year and strip out the player's share at 27% you get $45M which divided by 18 is an extra $2.5m a year per club.

You'd need to phase that in rather than a one-off jump but if I was Gill the Dill I'd be suggesting an initial $1m a year increase for 2017 followed by an extra $300,000 a year for the following five years to get the required $2.5m increase. The players will probably argue that other areas of overall revenue are also increasing (do they get 27% of all the horrendous gambling profits that the Melbourne clubs generate) but at the very least, on a back of a postage stamp analysis this would seem a sound starting point. And it's not too far from what has been reported in the press.

How about $1m initially and then 3% year on year increase for 2018-22?

[Hotpotato]

If each player receives 1% of my expenditure in my quest to see another Grand Final victory in 2014 and 2016 , they won't go without a feed .
The AFL must be a better biz than BHP these days.

[Hotpotato]

I hope the mood at Mad Monday picked up from the photos that I saw. The general mood looked to be along the lines of: earthquake survivors wondering if their trapped relatives have any chance of being rescued.

That's funny .
They require a bit more training to handle a loss .
As the copper said to my distraught and crying daughter booked for speeding on the way home : "It's not the end of the world , ask your old man (he had looked up my record , the flog !!! "
Tip: the crying bloody worked , he REDUCED the penalty. Unbelievable .

[Crusty]

They've probably been on the piss since Saturday. And I don't blame them.

[waswan]

Tom Mitchell is a priority, his age, games played and most importantly the fact that he showed up on the big stage. Im hoping it is just an issue with TPP
If we trade out Ted, Mcglynn, Towers, Harry C, Laidler, Nanka or Sinclair
And get back Alir, Reid, AJ & Talia(wishful) we don't need to be looking at any talls.

I reckon there is more than enough money to keep, Mitchell.
If Tippo is on the 900K people are talking id be point blank with him that he takes a new 3yr deal at 1.5 or he is up for trade.
Would love a bit of shuffling to go after Hartlett or Hanley or Motlop we need run

[KTigers]

Just saw that Rory Lobb has re-signed with GWS till the end of 2019. That is a huge bonus for them, and may mean more
interest from WA for Nankervis now that Lobb is off the market.
And Jesse Hogan is staying with Melbourne. I think it's good for the comp and supporters that these young, quality players
are trying to finish what they started. Hopefully Mitchell & Nankervis can follow suit and stay "home".

[Dosser]

Apparently there is huge interest in Towers from Brisbane as well as "all around the country" and I have heard that Richmond has been looking at Nank. One of the rumoured suitors for Towers is Gold Coast who have a whole bunch of picks to play with.

[Jewels]

If each player receives 1% of my expenditure in my quest to see another Grand Final victory in 2014 and 2016 , they won't go without a feed .
The AFL must be a better biz than BHP these days.

I hear you hotspud, I'm not sure what hurts the most - the actual loss or the money that's spent to see the loss!

[Ludwig]

I just watched the Under 18s All Star game played last Friday. There's a lot of good talent this year. Some of the top end are really sharp. Hugh McCluggage deserves to go number 1 unless the Giants can trade for pick 1, in which case they will probably take McGrath. I can't see how we can get into the top 10 unless Carlton are willing to part with pick 5 for Tom Mitchell.

There also looks to be plenty of talent well into the 3rd round. I wouldn't mind unloading our dead wood and get into this draft. The Giants and Gold Coast will determine so much of what happens in the draft with loads of picks in the top 30. The Giants however will likely be using a fair few to draft their many talented academy players. GC are interesting with 4 picks in the 20s plus pick 40, which has some good value this year, and will add to this with compensation for O'Meara and Prestia.

I would trade one of our ruckmen and try to get Tony Olango. He will take a few years to develop, but I was impressed with his athleticism. He looks the kind of ruckmen of the future (sort of a bigger version of Aliir). I think he will be available in the 40s and may even slip to the rookie draft, although I doubt he will last to our pick 17 in the RD.

I am now favouring trying to trade Tippett to Gold Coast, perhaps for their pick 21, or even better their picks 27 and 40. Other possibilities are Sinclair back to one of the Perth teams for around a pick 30 or Toby to Richmond for their compo pick for Vickery, should he leave, which will probably be around pick 25.

McGlynn is definitely gone. I don't know if he is tradable, but Brisbane may be interested if packaged with Towers, who should definitely be traded. I would also look to trade Brandon Jack. I think the Queensland teams may be interested in these guys and they have multiple draft picks in the 20s. I would have Dan Robinson up for trade as well. It know we just gave him a new contract, but I think he will find it hard to break into the side. Foote has already gone past him IMO. I would hold onto Cunningham and Laidler as depth players. Harry should still have some development left in him.

I we could get Hawthorn's picks 14 and 32 for Mitchell, I would take it. It's the equivalent of a pick 7 and that seems fair to me.

We could end up with something like picks 14, 17, 20, 21 and 32 which should land us quick a lot of talent for the future. Plus we will draft Jake Brown, who I think will be a good prospect.

If available at our first pick, I wouldn't mind taking key forward Josh Battle. He will likely go in the 14-17 range, so getting pick 14 could be useful. Shai Bolton is a real livewire and is not afraid to contest the ball, but I do worry about the West Australians and the go home factor. But there are lots of talented WAs this year and the Perth teams won't have many picks in the top part of the draft.

If we are interested in KPPs, there should be a fair number of prospects up to pick 40 and perhaps beyond. I wish there was some news about Michael Talia. I hope he's recovered from his injury and all is forgiven for his indiscretion, because I think he has some talent and can hold down a spot in our defense long term.

I hope Ben Davis slips through the ND so we can take him as a rookie. He looked really good in the game.

[waswan]

We are full of kids and we are in the window with Academy kids a year away.
Keep Titch as a priority, grab 23 - 26yrs olds thru trade.

No kid wants to come here and play Neafl for 2 yrs

[Meg]

I wish there was some news about Michael Talia. I hope he's recovered from his injury and all is forgiven for his indiscretion, because I think he has some talent and can hold down a spot in our defense long term.

Talia is a puzzle, no news about him for weeks. Was he on the ground for the GF presentations (as were other senior-listed, non-playing Swans)? Has anyone spotted him in the Mad Monday photos? I am only asking, not suggesting anything, I simply don't know and agree with Ludwig that the lack of any updates about him for so long is confusing.

I did see an Instagram photo of his partner with a couple of other Swans WAGs at their equivalent Mad Monday lunch - hopefully that means the Swans-Talia relationship is still strong.

[aardvark]

I would not be surprised to see Talia traded or delisted but I hope they give him a chance, just one.

[Dosser]

Unless we have only heard the tip of the iceberg

[Jewels]

I would not be surprised to see Talia traded or delisted but I hope they give him a chance, just one.

Why would you think he would be traded or delisted? He only played one game so didn't get much chance to show us what he's made of and yes he did a pretty dumb thing and got caught out, but he faced his punishment. I'd hate to think this club is so thin skinned that he would be delisted because of one stupid indiscretion.

And why would there be any news on him? He was injured all year and was never a chance to play finals, so what would anybody reasonably expect to be written about him?

[Ludwig]

I did see an Instagram photo of his partner with a couple of other Swans WAGs at their equivalent Mad Monday lunch - hopefully that means the Swans-Talia relationship is still strong.

That's a good sign. And the last word was that we would back him in, so to speak.

I would not be surprised to see Talia traded or delisted but I hope they give him a chance, just one.

Unless he is unable to play due to injury, I can't see him going anywhere. He has another year on his contract. If he's fit to play, I don't see why he shouldn't be a part of our future.