2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[liz]

The trade of Tippett to Gold coast and O'Meara to swans was mentioned on the radio this afternoon. Maybe some truth to rumour? Bit disappointed only getting pick 46 for Nankervis. Though he was much more valuable than that.

That trade makes no sense to either club.

The last area Gold Coast is deficient in is tall forwards, with Lynch absolutely top notch, two-metre Pete developing nicely plus Day. And while they're not so flush for rucks, they are OK in that department (and reportedly about to add Witts to the list). Plus they are being forced to go back to the drawing board and rebuild with their gun mids walking out on them, so a 29 year old Tippett would seem pointless.

For Sydney, surely a large part of the reason the Swans allowed Mitchell to go was the knowledge that we have two top class very young mids who can step in and fill Mitchell's shoes, probably from as early as next year. And we will need to find salary cap dollars to re-sign Heeney next year and Mills the following year. A fit O'Meara would be a desirable commodity at any club but, as he is, he will be high risk, expensive, and doesn't fill any of the real weaknesses on our list.

And if the Swans were seriously considering trading Tippett out, would they not have done a lot more to persuade Nankervis to hang around for a bit?

[robamiee]

yes but o'meara has explosive power like dangerfield, ablett etc when his up and running ..something we dont have..and his skills are second to none.

[Melbournehammer]

That trade makes no sense to either club.

The last area Gold Coast is deficient in is tall forwards, with Lynch absolutely top notch, two-metre Pete developing nicely plus Day. And while their not so flush for rucks, they are OK in that department (and reportedly about to add Witts to the list). Plus they are being forced to go back to the drawing board and rebuild with their gun mids walking out on them, so a 29 year old Tippett would seem pointless.

For Sydney, surely a large part of the reason the Swans allowed Mitchell to go was the knowledge that we have two top class very young mids who can step in and fill Mitchell's shoes, probably from as early as next year. And we will need to find salary cap dollars to re-sign Heeney next year and Mills the following year. A fit O'Meara would be a desirable commodity at any club but, as he is, he will be high risk, expensive, and doesn't fill any of the real weaknesses on our list.

And if the Swans were seriously considering trading Tippett out, would they not have done a lot more to persuade Nankervis to hang around for a bit?

thank god someone actually looks at our list and our strategies.

It makes zero sense and we would be paying more now than what we could have got him for in the mini draft years ago when our list didn't look like it actually needed a tippett.

i reckon that we are being used as a mechanism to increase the offer, but anyone with half a brain could not possible assume that this is actually a key part of our needs. and i said more than a month ago that tippett is about the only player the suns don't actually need. their talls are fine. it is their smalls and defenders that are week

[liz]

yes but o'meara has explosive power like dangerfield, ablett etc when his up and running ..something we dont have..and his skills are second to none.

He's quick but I don't think he's Dangerfield quick. And who knows whether he'll ever get close to the speed he once had, given his two year long knee problems.

He is skilled, but Heeney and Mills ain't too shabby in that department either and if we recruit another young midfielder on big dollars we seriously jeopardise our chances of hanging onto both those two once their initial contracts expire. Other clubs will go after both of them with very large contract dollars, especially if they believe that the Swans' cap is stretched so tightly the club has nowhere to move. The fact they are locals who supported the club as kids, and their academy experiences will go so far towards keeping them at the Swans on slightly less than they might make elsewhere, at least to start with, but there's a limit to the dollar differential that they will (and should) accept.

[robamiee]

He's quick but I don't think he's Dangerfield quick. And who knows whether he'll ever get close to the speed he once had, given his two year long knee problems.

He is skilled, but Heeney and Mills ain't too shabby in that department either and if we recruit another young midfielder on big dollars we seriously jeopardise our chances of hanging onto both those two once their initial contracts expire. Other clubs will go after both of them with very large contract dollars, especially if they believe that the Swans' cap is stretched so tightly the club has nowhere to move. The fact they are locals who supported the club as kids, and their academy experiences will go so far towards keeping them at the Swans on slightly less than they might make elsewhere, at least to start with, but there's a limit to the dollar differential that they will (and should) accept.

agreed..but we said the same of the buddy deal....and really a midfielder like JOM dont come along often and i trust our club medicos to make the best judgement call on that..There have been a few GC players like JOM and swallow not happy with there medical treatment from there injuries....

[Ludwig]

thank god someone actually looks at our list and our strategies.

I agree. Our player movements have to be put into the context of who we have on our list and where we stand in terms of salary cap. And that's just for starters.

I like to make a table of our players under 27 yo to give an idea of how we are looking going forward. An under 27 team should have another 6 years together, doesn't take into account older players or the next 6 drafts, so it should be a fair indication of what strategies to use for trades and drafting purposes.

	Starter	Starter	Starter	Emer
FB	Johnson	Talia	Newman	Murray
HB	Jones	Aliir	Rampe	Melican
C	Heeney	Hanners	Mills	Marsh
F	Naismith	Hewett	Parker	Cunningham
HF	Rohan	Davis	Dawson	B Jack
FF	Rose	Reid	Papley	Robbo
INT	Foote	Lloyd	O'Riordan	Leonardis

[liz]

agreed..but we said the same of the buddy deal....and really a midfielder like JOM dont come along often and i trust our club medicos to make the best judgement call on that..There have been a few GC players like JOM and swallow not happy with there medical treatment from there injuries....

I didn't believe any of the Buddy whispers until the deal was actually announced because I couldn't see how it could work from a list management perspective. And while I was pissed off with the deal initially (due to the cost/risk), there was never much question that Buddy filled a need and would make the team better in the short term.

It's true that players like O'Meara are relatively rare but, as has already been pointed out, nor do players like Heeney and Mills. I sincerely believe they have every bit as much chance of becoming top flight players as O'Meara does. And, as a wise man once said, "you can't have everyone".

[Foreign Legion]

I didn't believe any of the Buddy whispers until the deal was actually announced because I couldn't see how it could work from a list management perspective. And while I was pissed off with the deal initially (due to the cost/risk), there was never much question that Buddy filled a need and would make the team better in the short term.

It's true that players like O'Meara are relatively rare but, as has already been pointed out, nor do players like Heeney and Mills. I sincerely believe they have every bit as much chance of becoming top flight players as O'Meara does. And, as a wise man once said, "you can't have everyone".

I agree Liz but there does seem to be a lot of "chatter" and Tony Sheahan was first with the news on Buddy. From memory he said "Buddy off to Sydney but not where you think"

Not even sure I want him but we will see.

[MattW]

I agree Liz but there does seem to be a lot of "chatter" and Tony Sheahan was first with the news on Buddy. From memory he said "Buddy off to Sydney but not where you think"

Not even sure I want him but we will see.

I think it would be irresponsible to leave us with such little depth in the ruck (particularly given Naismith and Sinclair have a history of injuries) and I can't see us taking that risk. It's only one source saying this, and you'd expect more at this stage.

Off topic, but I felt exactly the same as this about Buddy's arrival...

I didn't believe any of the Buddy whispers until the deal was actually announced because I couldn't see how it could work from a list management perspective. And while I was pissed off with the deal initially (due to the cost/risk), there was never much question that Buddy filled a need and would make the team better in the short term.

...but now I feel as least as warmly towards him as I do any other Swans player. I got quite emotional watching him accept the Paul Kelly Award at the BSM this year. He is consistent, a team player, a leader, a sensitive guy, and I am really pleased he plays for our club.

[liz]

My grammar and sentence construction really are dreadful this evening. And when someone has quoted your post, you can't go back and fix it up!!!

[Nico]

I think Nankervis will be a very good player. Showed a lot this year and improved his all round game. Raw ruckman to a valuable commodity this year for mine. A bad loss.

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I agree. Our player movements have to be put into the context of who we have on our list and where we stand in terms of salary cap. And that's just for starters.

I like to make a table of our players under 27 yo to give an idea of how we are looking going forward. An under 27 team should have another 6 years together, doesn't take into account older players or the next 6 drafts, so it should be a fair indication of what strategies to use for trades and drafting purposes.

	Starter	Starter	Starter	Emer
FB	Johnson	Talia	Newman	Murray
HB	Jones	Aliir	Rampe	Melican
C	Heeney	Hanners	Mills	Marsh
F	Naismith	Hewett	Parker	Cunningham
HF	Rohan	Davis	Dawson	B Jack
FF	Rose	Reid	Papley	Robbo
INT	Foote	Lloyd	O'Riordan	Leonardis

Notice you managed to squeeze in the "love child" Davis.

[robamiee]

plenty of deelisted back up ruckmen around to cover that i reckon that we could get for next to nothing compared to tippos salary...i like tippo, if he stays great, if he goes i dont mind either..
i put my faith in the club to kake the right calls...sure sometimes we get less than what we think is trade value for players, but we get deals done some we win on and some we dont, but generally there is always a bigger picture afoot from our list guys...

[goswannies]

plenty of deelisted back up ruckmen around to cover that i reckon that we could get for next to nothing compared to tippos salary...i like tippo, if he stays great, if he goes i dont mind either..
i put my faith in the club to kake the right calls...sure sometimes we get less than what we think is trade value for players, but we get deals done some we win on and some we dont, but generally there is always a bigger picture afoot from our list guys...

Deelisted - after Max Gawn?

[Ludwig]

Notice you managed to squeeze in the "love child" Davis.

He's already better than JOM in my books. He's played a lot more footy in the past 2 years as well. Now with Nankervis gone, it's good to have Davis around as he can also play in the ruck. I'm sure some of these players have been sent packing so we can offer Abe a big long term contract.

I wouldn't call it 'squeezing in' either. More like the Centerpiece of the Team. And I left your "hate child" Cunningham out of the best 22 just to avoid any objections on your part.

I figure if you're on the list for 3 years and still can't make the best under 27 side, it's time for trade or delisting.

[robamiee]

Deelisted - after Max Gawn?

well we are generally linked with everyone else why not him as wel...haha