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  • bloodspirit
    Clubman
    • Apr 2015
    • 4448

    Originally posted by WauchopeAnalyst
    X might just walk away and play VFL!!!!

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    What's your source for this?
    All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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    • Billericay
      Regular in the Side
      • May 2013
      • 712

      "Swans trade pick 39 and 52 for GWS's pick 31 #AFLTrades" that's more like it

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      • longmile
        Crumber
        • Apr 2011
        • 3360

        No news on if we're gonna pick up any delisted players?

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        • bloodspirit
          Clubman
          • Apr 2015
          • 4448

          What seems to be a more significant factor than usual this trade period is salary cap space. I haven't done a close analysis but my impression is that clubs with room to move in their salary cap are well placed to swoop on players that other clubs want to move on due to salary cap issues and can pay unders e.g. T.Mitchell to the Hawks, S. Mitchell and J.Lewis from the Hawks, the haemorrhaging of quality players out of GWS for bargain basement prices etc. Am I jumping to conclusions or do others think the same? Does this mean it would be shrewd, for future trade periods, to consider having some salary cap up our sleeve? (A very complicated question because mostly the clubs with salary cap space are probably at the bottom of the ladder which is why they have the space. On the other hand, if the Hawks miss out on O'Meara then they will be in this position next time - but only as silver lining to a mostly horrible trade period for them.)
          All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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          • crackedactor
            Regular in the Side
            • May 2012
            • 919

            Originally posted by Billericay
            "Swans trade pick 39 and 52 for GWS's pick 31 #AFLTrades" that's more like it
            I heard a rumour that there were several draftees that have caught the eye of Tom Harley that will likely be outside the top ten. Maybe this trade confirms it.

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            • Billericay
              Regular in the Side
              • May 2013
              • 712

              Originally posted by bloodspirit
              What seems to be a more significant factor than usual this trade period is salary cap space. I haven't done a close analysis but my impression is that clubs with room to move in their salary cap are well placed to swoop on players that other clubs want to move on due to salary cap issues and can pay unders e.g. T.Mitchell to the Hawks, S. Mitchell and J.Lewis from the Hawks, the haemorrhaging of quality players out of GWS for bargain basement prices etc. Am I jumping to conclusions or do others think the same? Does this mean it would be shrewd, for future trade periods, to consider having some salary cap up our sleeve? (A very complicated question because mostly the clubs with salary cap space are probably at the bottom of the ladder which is why they have the space. On the other hand, if the Hawks miss out on O'Meara then they will be in this position next time - but only as silver lining to a mostly horrible trade period for them.)
              I am of course seriously hoping that the Hawks don't get JOM in the next 2 hours (or in the draft). Salary cap is certainly an issue for GWS, I think Hawks over-trading was more tactical and about refreshing their list. There are a lot of clubs with salary cap issues / constraints: Richmond, Geelong, Port. You wonder if the fact that they don't know how much they've got to spend is making things worse this year?

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              • sprite
                Regular in the Side
                • Jan 2003
                • 813

                Originally posted by Billericay
                You wonder if the fact that they don't know how much they've got to spend is making things worse this year?
                I think this is an excellent observation, not announcing the new cap may be a cunning ploy from the AFL to try and stifle the multi million offers that have started to appear.
                sprite

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                • caj23
                  Senior Player
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 2462

                  Originally posted by longmile
                  No news on if we're gonna pick up any delisted players?
                  Who did you have in mind?

                  We don't have any apparent weaknesses and we can pick up a delisted free agent for another month or so yet

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                  • Ludwig
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9359

                    Fringe players being given away, especially GWS. I would be happy to upgrade our pick 31 a few places to GEEL 24, CAR 25 or RICH 27. But probably will just see him delisted. I wonder if Finlayson is in play.

                    Terry Wallace on Trade Radio showing off his ignorance as never before. It's a shame the concussion rule wasn't around when he was playing. I know he hates the Swans, but he has no idea about our list and makes the dumbest comments.

                    I think we will do well enough going into the draft with our current picks.

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                    • The Big Cat
                      On the veteran's list
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 2349

                      Originally posted by Ludwig
                      Fringe players being given away, especially GWS. I would be happy to upgrade our pick 31 a few places to GEEL 24, CAR 25 or RICH 27. But probably will just see him delisted. I wonder if Finlayson is in play.

                      Terry Wallace on Trade Radio showing off his ignorance as never before. It's a shame the concussion rule wasn't around when he was playing. I know he hates the Swans, but he has no idea about our list and makes the dumbest comments.



                      I think we will do well enough going into the draft with our current picks.
                      What did he say?
                      Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                      • wolftone57
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 5835

                        Originally posted by bloodspirit
                        What's your source for this?
                        SENwere saying that he want out of Sydney and back to Melbourne. Misses mum's home cooking lol.

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                        • Levii3
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Jun 2015
                          • 655

                          Originally posted by The Big Cat
                          What did he say?
                          +1

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                          • longmile
                            Crumber
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 3360

                            Why arent we delisting Hiscox

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                            • wolftone57
                              Veterans List
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 5835

                              Originally posted by bloodspirit
                              What seems to be a more significant factor than usual this trade period is salary cap space. I haven't done a close analysis but my impression is that clubs with room to move in their salary cap are well placed to swoop on players that other clubs want to move on due to salary cap issues and can pay unders e.g. T.Mitchell to the Hawks, S. Mitchell and J.Lewis from the Hawks, the haemorrhaging of quality players out of GWS for bargain basement prices etc. Am I jumping to conclusions or do others think the same? Does this mean it would be shrewd, for future trade periods, to consider having some salary cap up our sleeve? (A very complicated question because mostly the clubs with salary cap space are probably at the bottom of the ladder which is why they have the space. On the other hand, if the Hawks miss out on O'Meara then they will be in this position next time - but only as silver lining to a mostly horrible trade period for them.)

                              Carlton were bottom or near bottom and got done for cap breaches. Port have not been at the top but are cap strapped at the moment.

                              - - - Updated - - -

                              I find it interesting how many clubs that were supposed to be in a regeneration phase have suddenly managed to be trading all or most of their draft picks away in the Trade Period. Richmond & Collingwood are good examples.

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                              • Ludwig
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9359

                                Terry Wallace gave the Swans a D- in the trade period. He felt Tom Mitchell was a big loss and we didn't get anyone in to replace him. He also said that Sydney used to be the masters of the trade period but didn't pull off any big deals this year.

                                He doesn't seem to realise that we have Heeney, Mill, Jones and Hewett waiting to fill TM's shoes in the midfield. And he doesn't realise that we have no obvious holes in our list. He must be aware of the salary cap pressure on the Swans as well as other clubs. So who could we bring in to help our list? I wasn't interested in any of the players on the market this year. Even is JOM was available, how could we afford him with Heeney, Jones, JPK and Reid coming out of contract next year.


                                I imagine we would be looking for another home for Jack Hiscox, although it's a long shot. I'm am pretty sure he will be delsted after the trade period.
                                Last edited by Ludwig; 20 October 2016, 12:38 PM. Reason: On Hiscox

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