2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[dejavoodoo44]

whorethorn got JOM.

May he stay forever injured.

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expensive, cocky and injured
has plenty of downside

Yes, and there's something about the way that he parts his hair that irrirritates me.

[aardvark]

So is it all over? Do we still have Tippett? When does Fyfe arrive? Is JOM on the plane to Sydney yet? Did Mitchell re sign?
Well that was 10 days of our lives we'll never get back.

[dejavoodoo44]

Rule 2. Ignore Rule 1 and use all first round picks to pick up Paul Chamber's kids as a a future ruckman via Father / Son / Academy pick

I'm not really sure if he got to 100 possessions, let alone 100 games? Actually, he may not have got to 100 hitouts?

[dejavoodoo44]

I think every club would take him at 19 tbh, be amazed if he gets past West Coast.

Since you've been giving the impression that you know what you're talking about: where do you think Tony Olango will fall in the draft? On the upside: a huge amount of athletic ability for a ruckman, with a particularly impressive leap. The downside: a range of concerning injuries, with a bout of osteitis pubis being the main concern.

[0918330512]

I'm not really sure if he got to 100 possessions, let alone 100 games? Actually, he may not have got to 100 hitouts?

100 games? He'd have been lucky to have got 100 minutes on the ground with us! Where is he these days?

[royboy42]

Hope we don't do something silly with pick 9 like draft Shai Bolton or Todd Marshall

That's really a glass half empty attitude. We just got a top ten pick for goodness sake!

[Auntie.Gerald]

So what's everyone's guess we will do now

Especially taking into account Towers and X ?

Who will be rookies ?

[dejavoodoo44]

So what's everyone's guess we will do now

Especially taking into account Towers and X ?

Who will be rookies ?

My guess would be that X will return to the fold, after a few embarrassing moments, of possibly claiming that he never really wanted to leave. With Towers, I suspect that he'll be on our list next year, as we seemed to have made no effort to trade him.

[Levii3]

That's really a glass half empty attitude. We just got a top ten pick for goodness sake!

How is it half empty? Its great we have a top 10 pick I agree with you. Was just saying we shouldn't over value players on one or two attributes they have like their speed or where they come from.

Plus our history or picking 1 round players is rubbish

2002 McVeigh (who people still aren't sold on) pick5 good selection,
2003 Josh Willoughby pick 16,
2006 Daniel O'Keefe pick 15,
2007 Patrick Veszpremi pick 11,
2008 Lewis Johnston pick 12,
2009 was ok Rohan pick 6 overvalued must be said and Jetta pick 14,
2010 Technically not first round but Jed Lamb pick 21
2012 Dean Towers Pick 22
2013 Zac Jones pick 15 was a good choice

[Foreign Legion]

Dont draft ruckmen. Rule 1.

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Yeah I know that rule but as I said - "think about a ruckman" - if there is a good 'un I'd be prepared to use our second pick. Personally I don't think Sinclair will be long term and Tippett isn't getting any younger.

[Foreign Legion]

Wouldn't have thought we'd be prioritising either with high picks.

Its a waste of time drafting an 18 year old ruckman as the risk is too great that they'll either be a bust, or they'll get poached while waiting for an opening. Presumably we'll look for a cheap back up (either state league or delisted) as our break in emergency 4th option.

Not sure we're desperate for KPD either, not with our early picks anyway. Reg may only have a couple of years in him but with Allir, Talia and Reid, that's 4 solid options, and Davis and Melican developing in the reserves. Its also a position that you seem to be able to pick up a good mature age option.

I'm hoping we go with a couple of speedy line breaking onballers/flankers with above average foot skills

Yes I think you are right - I forgot about Talia. Personally I don't think Reid will make is as a backman but a lot of people thought that about his brother too.

I don't think Davis will make it - only seen him a couple of times but not very impressed. We definitely need speed but only if they can use the ball well.

[longmile]

How is it half empty? Its great we have a top 10 pick I agree with you. Was just saying we shouldn't over value players on one or two attributes they have like their speed or where they come from.

Plus our history or picking 1 round players is rubbish

2002 McVeigh (who people still aren't sold on) pick5 good selection,
2003 Josh Willoughby pick 16,
2006 Daniel O'Keefe pick 15,
2007 Patrick Veszpremi pick 11,
2008 Lewis Johnston pick 12,
2009 was ok Rohan pick 6 overvalued must be said and Jetta pick 14,
2010 Technically not first round but Jed Lamb pick 21
2012 Dean Towers Pick 22
2013 Zac Jones pick 15 was a good choice

Mills, Heeney and Mitchell are pretty much first rounders

I think McVeigh has been worth it, but his last yr or 2 has been iffy which is fair enough in his old age. But when compared to the rest of the top 10 of the 2002 draft he's done pretty good with only Andrew Mackie, Brendan Goddard and maybe Wells being better

[Foreign Legion]

Tim English looks special at 204cm. He was playing in the midfield a couple of years ago than had a massive growth spurt. Tippet only has two years left. If he's still there at 19 take him.

Just watched a video of this guy - looks very impressive - especially by hand and foot. Very light but skillful. Thats the thing Tippett will be gone in 3-4 years max and we currently have 3 ruckmen that are a bit injury prone.

[SeanM]

I don't know much about the draft. But I think what Gold Coast will do will be interesting and affect what players will be available for us.

I can see
1# Essendon - Mccluggage
2# GWS - McGrath
3# Brisbane - Petrevski Seton (apparently a fan so maybe less go home risk)
4# Gold Coast - Bowes
5# Carlton - one of Ainsworth, Brodie, Tarranto
6# Gold Coast - ?
7# Fremantle - English (or maybe Petrevski Seton if available)
8# Gold Coast - ?
9# Sydney -?
10# Gold Coast -?

I wonder if Gold Coast would take two of Ainsworth, Brodie, Tarranto, who were generally rated as top 7.

Or because they have got four top 10 picks, instead take players of different positions eg Marshall full forward, Logue as defender, scrimshaw as half back, florent as a different type of midfielder.

Or possibly be weighing up other factors like go home likelihood or leadership qualities.

[Ludwig]

I'm pretty sure that Tim English will be taken by Freo at pick 7. I wouldn't be interested in him anyway.

I think we will be targeting Griffin Logue at pick 9. He tested exceptionally well. 5th in the 3km and tied for 1st in the beep test. He's listed as a key defender, but is that type of player who can play anywhere. He has a lot of Nick Riewoldt attributes, although not saying he will come up to that exceptional level. I think Logue is the best KPP in this year's draft. Josh Battle is also good and may not last till pick 19. Todd Marshall might be a star, but is too big a risk IMO. The only risk on Logue is that he's a West Australian and we will have to check out the go home factor, as we should with all WA boys. I think Logue should be available at 9, but would probably not last until pick 14. If you can get a top KPP in a draft, I think you should go for it.

There is a slim chance that either Ben Ainsworth or Tim Tarranto will available at pick 9. Either would be a fine addition to our club. Both are damaging players and can hit the scoreboard.

Outside of this group I am leaning towards Oliver Florent, a quick and skillful midfielder who can play inside, but would be an outside player for us.

There are several quick and skillful players that should be available at pick 19. Some will go earlier, but there will still be a few good ones there at our pick. It's hard to rank them, but I'll list them in rough order of how I rate them for the needs of the Swans.

1. Jordan Gallucci: Very quick and athletic outside midfielder with good skills
2. Jarrod Berry: Powerful runner that can play any position. Hanners type bravery. Was captain of Vic Country. Kicking can be wayward.
3. Jy Simpkin: Quick and skillful small forward coming back from injury.
4. Alex Witherden: Medium paced defender with elite kicking and decision making skills. Future Nick Smith replacement.
5. Daniel Venables: Injury prone, but powerful midfielder with pace and skills. Can play inside or outside.
6. Will Hayward: Gary Rowan type. Quick, great mark with booming accurate kick. Slots them from 60 out. A quicker version of Dawson.
7. Sam Powell-Pepper: Powerful hard running midfielder from WA who can play many positions. Breaks tackles. Kicks long, but erratic. Decision making questionable. Could be a Dustin Martin, but quicker.

My guess is that at least 3 of the above will be available at pick 19.

There are always players that slip in the draft and we might find a good one at pick 46. I think the quality runs a bit deeper this year than last and we still managed to pick up a couple of good prospects in the 50s.

I am pretty sure Tony Olango will be available at pick 49. Not many will be willing to invest 3 years or so to develop him only to see them leave once they've learned the trade. The situation may be a bit different than with Nanka in that when Olango is ready, Tippett and Sinclair will be ready to check out. Olango is very athletic for a big man and may also be a capable key defender or ruck forward in due course. At pick 49, I would roll the dice with him. He's got a lot of upside.