2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[ugg]

Playing devil's advocate I would say that Carlton wanted to get some late picks back after trading two away in the Marchbank and Pickett trade.

[WauchopeAnalyst]

+1

Really don't want a project player like Marshall at pick 9. Could handle if we got Bolton at 19 but not 9. Really want Logue but usually when I really want us to pick a player we go with someone else so not getting my hopes up! Should also get a good prospect with pick 9 with many good midfield options previously mentioned.

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No more project players in the early picks. Towers, Hiscox havent worked. After pick 54-60 do your best and good luck.

Just select footballers.

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[Steve]

This is a clear draft manipulation.

Even is the spuds at Carlton finish 12th next year they have given up pick 24 in a stronger draft for picks 48, 66 and 70.

No doubt if we benefited from a trade like this, particularly if it helped more points to pay for an Academy selection, there would be a Royal Commission established.

Ultimately you'd have to think that there is a side agreement for Hawthorn to 'return the favour' next year in terms of trading draft picks back. If so, that will pretty much wipe out Hawthorn's presence in the 2016 and 2017 drafts, and evens out any discrepancy from this year's dodgy trade with Carlton. If that doesn't happen next year though, you'd have to ask whether something murkier has gone down to help Hawthorn this year.

Also wouldn't put it past Hawthorn to have deliberately left that trade to the last minute, to essentially pressure the AFL into signing it off on the deadline without asking any questions (let alone investigate).

Pick 9 should be quite good, particularly with GC holding so many picks prior - more likelihood they'll use at least a couple of those picks more strategically for player types, rather than just the straight-out best player. So what starts out as us getting the 8th best available player (ie. with Bowes already taken) might actually go up to one of the best 5-6 on our own rankings.

Not sure how it impacts given they have so many early picks, but presumably there could be a scenario where at least one of GC's early picks to have to shuffle back (when matching a bid for Bowes), which could bring pick 9 forward a spot also.

[Melbournehammer]

i really wish people would actually look at the 2012 draft before they carry on about towers. He hardly stands out in his level of performance with those selected shortly after him.

Picks after about 15 in the draft are not certainties. They aren't project players. They are the best of their crop. But their crop may not be all that good.


23 Marco Paparone East Fremantle WAFL Brisbane Lions Gold Coast uncontracted player compensation pick (Rischitelli)
2 24 Nathan Wright Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup St Kilda Traded from Greater Western Sydney
2 25 Spencer White Western Jets TAC Cup St Kilda Traded from Gold Coast
2 26 Jack Viney Oakleigh Chargers TAC Cup Melbourne Father-son selection (son of Todd Viney)
2 27 James Stewart Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup Greater Western Sydney Traded by Hawthorn, received from Western Bulldogs
2 28 Tim O'Brien Glenelg SANFL Hawthorn Traded by Greater Western Sydney, received from Port Adelaide
2 29 Tom Clurey Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup Port Adelaide Free agency compensation pick (Pearce)
2 30 Mason Shaw South Fremantle WAFL Port Adelaide Free agency compensation pick (Chaplin)
2 31 Kamdyn McIntosh Peel Thunder WAFL Richmond Traded from Port Adelaide, Gold Coast uncontracted player compensation pick (Krakouer)
2 32 Michael Close North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup Brisbane Lions
2 33 Liam McBean Calder Cannons TAC Cup Richmond
2 34 Jason Ashby Oakleigh Chargers TAC Cup Ess

[Cosmic Wizard]

I don't want tony as a ruckman

I think he could be a serious weapon up front....his lateral movement is amazing .......pinch hitting only as a ruck

Late pick ie late 40s what else would be the strategy ?

We need a reserve ruckman in case two of Tippet, Sinclair or Naismith get injury. Here are some quick bio's from SA.

Peter Ladhams (202cm, 90kg from Norwood) was a bit of a surprise last year, leading the ruck for SA as an underaged player. A talented ruckman in the AFL Academy, he has very good tap work and can go forward too - something I expect to see more of this yearA late addition to the Academy ranks last year was giant Jordon Sweet. (203cm, 105kg from North Adelaide). Was the dominant ruckman in the SANFL U18s last year, alonside Ladhams, and played against the Allies last year. There's not much competition for rucks in the state U18s, so it'll be good to see him against some better opposition. I'd expect Tim Sullivan (199cm, 90kg from Glenelg) to return as one of the overaged players this year, the presence of both Ladhams and Sweet should allow him to play as a KPP

Along with the resting rucks, Mitch Carter (196cm, 81kg from Norwood) would be my pick to be leading the way. He's big, strong and can take a mark. And he kicks straight. Works hard too, has a bit of versatility to play around the ground. Another couple who should make the squad are Lewis Young (198cm, 92kg from Sturt) and Connor Dodd (190cm, 82kg from Central Districts). Young is a late December birthday, and actually played at the U16 Championships last year as an overager. While Dodd is a medium sized forward with long arms, nice left foot shot at goal.

From WA

Darcy Cameron , 204cm/104kg 18/7/95
Cameron was overlooked at the 2013 NAB AFL Draft with a query on his pace and his consistency in competing. But he's improved those aspects of his game and presents as a mature-age tall who is able to play in the ruck and in attack. Cameron has enjoyed a solid season at WAFL level for Claremont.

The common thread is all have played in a good second comp and have good football skills along with a lot of raw ability. Worth a punt.

The second pick in the 40s should go to someone with speed.

Steven Slimming (Sturt) ? 182cm, 73kg, Unley FC
The outside midfielder has drawn comparisons to Sturt coach and former Adelaide and Sydney Swans player Marty Mattner. One of five SANFL players in the AFL Academy.

Seems little doubt that Scharenberg and Graham will be leading the midfield, but Steven Slimming (182cm, 72kg from Sturt) is potentially the player that will be named as their MVP. A member of the AFL/AIS Academy, he's just a really productive player and always around the ball. Will probably go a little underrated due to his size, but would have featured as an underaged player last year if not for injury and has good outside speed.

Willie Rioli (Glenelg) ? 175cm, 74kg, Tiwi Bombers
The 21-year-old ? a cousin of Hawthorn star Cyril - shed 16kg in the off-season, allowing him to create havoc in the midfield as well as in his preferred role as a dangerous small forward

If i had to pick, Steven Slimmings and Lewis Young; both are good players with good speed and football skills and both from Sturt.

[crackedactor]

A few weeks ago Ireland said we were drafting this year. True to his word we didn't trade anyone in. So I would expect us to use all 4 picks.

Sorry to side track the drafting stories, but what happens to XR now? Do Sydney try and offer him a deal to stay and if he says no, he goes into the National draft to try his luck at MAYBE being picked up by another club?

[Crusty]

I say let him go.

I suspect X valued himself at greater than the Swans, so he spat it and requested a trade. No takers.

So we repeat our offer to him.

What then? He takes it and looks a fool, as ostensibly the COL in Sydney is too high. So he walks, or we up the ante.

We were prepared to see him off in the trade period, probably for not much, so I can't see why we'd pay more.

Therefore I reckon he's gone. Tattaahs, as Sellers would say.

[707]

Having a second look at the Phantom Draft over breakfast this morning I really like what we've done trading picks. Given that one of the Gold Coasts picks will be spent on Bowes and GWS pick 15 will be used on Setterfield (Perryman will be paid for with a raft of later picks), our pick 19 will effectively be getting who we rate as the 17th best non academy player.

There is the prospect of Gold Coast not just taking next best player at 6, 8 & 10 but selecting specific types for their needs, further pushing both our early picks in some ways up the order.

Going by Twomey's Phantom Draft, we are possible players for anyone from someone like Taranto at his pick 7 through to his picks in the mid 20s like Cox & Graham. Really does give us a lot of scope at the pointy end and two mid 40s could well be winners as well. I like our trading a lot.

[Crusty]

There's a lot of love for Tony Olango here, as a late pick.
Wouldn't have a clue myself, but I hope we draft him, if only so that I can call him Dawn.

[ugg]

There's a lot of love for Tony Olango here, as a late pick.
Wouldn't have a clue myself, but I hope we draft him, if only so that I can call him Dawn.

Knock three times if you want him.

[Crusty]

That and the yellow ribbon mate.
Showing our age here.

[Steve]

Sorry to side track the drafting stories, but what happens to XR now? Do Sydney try and offer him a deal to stay and if he says no, he goes into the National draft to try his luck at MAYBE being picked up by another club?

He needs his manager to do some work - unlike the Mitchell deal where he could just sit back and let it all happen, Mullen won't have a suitor banging down the door to obtain his client when it comes to XR.

We may not have been offering him a huge contract, but he's a 12-game novice who wouldn't be anything more than a depth player anywhere.

The COL excuse is a pretty weak one I would have thought - these young guys tend to share with 3 to a house, it's not as though you're paying $1000 a week rent on your own. They do live a professional lifestyle (ie. needing to eat well etc) so you can't live on baked beans or 2-minute noodles, but given he's already setup in Sydney, I can't see the actual difference being astronomical for him.

I noted that in his comments about the COL, Mullen made reference to money going further in Brisbane or Adelaide - not Melbourne where it's expected he will go. Even more reason why the difference he'll be worse off is potentially not as significant.

If he's going to move back in with his parents in Melbourne, then fair enough that makes a significant financial difference. But then again, if he doesn't want independence and just wants cheaper accommodation, he can move in to a hostel in Sydney and that would be cheap.

[Dosser]

On the face of it, it is a dumb trade by Carlton.
But maybe not.
This is a closed trading community - the same players trading with each other every year. So Hawthorn is in a bind and asks Carlton for a "favour". Carlton obliges, and next year or the year after, Hawthorn returns the favour.
Is that manipulation? or trading?
It could be considered as a long term trade - Carlton supplies now, and Hawthorn pays later.

In that sense, not that different to our trade with Port - picks for picks, but ours was more immediate.
In every trading community I've seen this type of informal system is in place, and it all evens out in the end.
Of course, Hawthorn could stiff the Blues, but that would be monstrously stupid, as Hawthorn would then lose all credibility. Whatever you might think about Hawthorn, it is not stupid.

What I think we are seeing is the evolution of the AFL trading scheme, and it is becoming more sophisticated.

Interesting thoughts. I guess it also isnt beyond possibility for a club to trade for worse picks if the club that benefits also agrees to paying a % of a particular player's salary from the club providing the better picks. This would trade picks for salary cap relief.

[ScottH]

There's a lot of love for Tony Olango here, as a late pick.
Wouldn't have a clue myself, but I hope we draft him, if only so that I can call him Dawn.

Knock three times if you want him.

That and the yellow ribbon mate.
Showing our age here.

Boy you guys must be OLD!!
I had to google those references.

[Auntie.Gerald]

whats google ?


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