The Final Quarter / The Australian Dream (AG documentaries) and related discussion

[Mel_C]

From The Hawthorn club twitter feed:

Hawthorn players will wear the number 37 on their warm up tops tomorrow night, in a show of respect for Adam Goodes. ????

DETAILS: Hawks to wear 37 - hawthornfc.com.au

A great gesture by the Hawks, I just wish they did more at the time as their supporters were the ones that started the constant booing.

Speaking of their supporters, they have gone into meltdown over this announcement and some are threatening to tear up their membership. The Hawks are having to tell them to show respect. Impey told his supporters to "take a breathe". This is the mentality of some people out there that they are outraged over a gesture like this.

[Bloods05]

A great gesture by the Hawks, I just wish they did more at the time as their supporters were the ones that started the constant booing.

Speaking of their supporters, they have gone into meltdown over this announcement and some are threatening to tear up their membership. The Hawks are having to tell them to show respect. Impey told his supporters to "take a breathe". This is the mentality of some people out there that they are outraged over a gesture like this.

We are scratching the surface of Australian society and there is something really ugly under there.

[Blood Fever]

We are scratching the surface of Australian society and there is something really ugly under there.

Eastern suburbs of Melbourne fertile ground for the ugliness

[Mel_C]

The problem with people like Bolt, Panahi, Jones and Newman is that they only focus on one aspect of the various incidents and conveniently ignore the complete facts.

1. Goodes pointing out the 13 year old girl.
- They took one sentence from his press conference where he said that the face of racism was a 13 year old girl. They ignored the remainder of what he said which included that she shouldn't be blamed and that she needed to be supported.

2. Australian of the Year
- Again they took one sentence from his speech and said he was being divisive and ignored the rest of what he said.

3. Indigenous Dance
- They concentrated on the "spear throwing" aspect and ignored the background on who created the dance and the fact that Goodes and Jetta had an agreement that whoever kicked a goal first would perform the dance.
- They also ignored that other indigenous players performed a dance during their games.

I really hope that these people take the time to watch the documentary when it is broadcast. They may not change their opinion but it may open their eyes and give them an understanding of what Goodes went through instead of them saying that he brought it on himself and that he is a sook. I won't be holding my breathe...they probably won't watch it out of spite.

[Bloods05]

The problem with people like Bolt, Panahi, Jones and Newman is that they only focus on one aspect of the various incidents and conveniently ignore the complete facts.

1. Goodes pointing out the 13 year old girl.
- They took one sentence from his press conference where he said that the face of racism was a 13 year old girl. They ignored the remainder of what he said which included that she shouldn't be blamed and that she needed to be supported.

2. Australian of the Year
- Again they took one sentence from his speech and said he was being divisive and ignored the rest of what he said.

3. Indigenous Dance
- They concentrated on the "spear throwing" aspect and ignored the background on who created the dance and the fact that Goodes and Jetta had an agreement that whoever kicked a goal first would perform the dance.
- They also ignored that other indigenous players performed a dance during their games.

I really hope that these people take the time to watch the documentary when it is broadcast. They may not change their opinion but it may open their eyes and give them an understanding of what Goodes went through instead of them saying that he brought it on himself and that he is a sook. I won't be holding my breathe...they probably won't watch it out of spite.

These people are paid spruikers. They have no interest in self-reflection. In Panahi's case and Newman's case, they don't even have the intellectual capacity to do so. They do not warrant our attention, particularly with regard to the Goodes issue. Forget about them.

[crackedactor]

The problem with people like Bolt, Panahi, Jones and Newman is that they only focus on one aspect of the various incidents and conveniently ignore the complete facts.

1. Goodes pointing out the 13 year old girl.
- They took one sentence from his press conference where he said that the face of racism was a 13 year old girl. They ignored the remainder of what he said which included that she shouldn't be blamed and that she needed to be supported.

2. Australian of the Year
- Again they took one sentence from his speech and said he was being divisive and ignored the rest of what he said.

3. Indigenous Dance
- They concentrated on the "spear throwing" aspect and ignored the background on who created the dance and the fact that Goodes and Jetta had an agreement that whoever kicked a goal first would perform the dance.
- They also ignored that other indigenous players performed a dance during their games.

I really hope that these people take the time to watch the documentary when it is broadcast. They may not change their opinion but it may open their eyes and give them an understanding of what Goodes went through instead of them saying that he brought it on himself and that he is a sook. I won't be holding my breathe...they probably won't watch it out of spite.

Great summary and exactly the way things were. They only focused on the points they could win.Adam Goodes spear dance frightened the children?? What a load of crap! Did they also get scared with the pre game indigenous routine?Many people in the morning paper said they only booed him because he staged for free kicks. More absolute garbage. If that was the case, why is Joel Selwood never. Booed? The greatest stager in the last 20 years and there is stats to back up that claim. I would like to know how many free kicks went for and against Goodsey


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[The Big Cat]

A great gesture by the Hawks, I just wish they did more at the time as their supporters were the ones that started the constant booing.

Speaking of their supporters, they have gone into meltdown over this announcement and some are threatening to tear up their membership. The Hawks are having to tell them to show respect. Impey told his supporters to "take a breathe". This is the mentality of some people out there that they are outraged over a gesture like this.

It was the Hawthorn supporters' behaviour at a MCG game a few years ago that prompted me to write to The Age which in turn resulted in two interviews on ABC radio about the issue. The conduct of the Hawk supporters around me could not be termed as anything else but racism. The names they yelled towards Adam were disgusting and all had a racist basis. Never heard anything about "staging" or "sooking" etc, it was all about his color, his race and his supposed "ancestory". We won, but the night was wrecked.

[Markwebbos]

These people are paid spruikers. They have no interest in self-reflection. In Panahi's case and Newman's case, they don't even have the intellectual capacity to do so. They do not warrant our attention, particularly with regard to the Goodes issue. Forget about them.

Just got back from watching The Final Quarter and that is very apparent: Bolt, Devine, Panahi, Newman, Jones etc are paid to stir up the worst in people.

[stevoswan]

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[Sandridge]

A great gesture by the Hawks, I just wish they did more at the time as their supporters were the ones that started the constant booing.

Speaking of their supporters, they have gone into meltdown over this announcement and some are threatening to tear up their membership. The Hawks are having to tell them to show respect. Impey told his supporters to "take a breathe". This is the mentality of some people out there that they are outraged over a gesture like this.

Will the Hawthorn canine members be burying their memberships? There's plenty of them!

Great to see the Hawks PLAYERS doing something positive. Very, very ,very late but it's progress!!

[jono2707]

And you're entitled to your opinion just as those are who have a different opinion. People need to understand what the definition a racist is. Does Sam show prejudice, discrimination towards those of a different race based on the belief that his own race is superior (Oxford Dictionary)? I don't think he does and none of you are in a position to confirm that he does. You confusing lack of empathy with racism.

May I respectfully suggest that you watch the Goodes documentary as soon as you get the opportunity. It was a sombre and thought provoking revisit of the facts of the events at the time. What stood out for me was that it showed how quickly and easily what Adam said and did was twisted and used against Adam by some in the media.

It was pretty eye opening to be honest.

[stevoswan]

This is encouraging....

Adam Goodes documentary leads to outpouring of remorse from AFL fans - Sport - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

[Faunac8]

Twenty years before Adam pointed out the spectator who called him an ape there was another first Australian man who was forced to pointedly respond to racist spectator behaviour . Hopefully in twenty years from now we won’t still be discussing the subject

File:Nicky Winmar gesture.jpg - Wikipedia

[Meg]

Twenty years before Adam pointed out the spectator who called him an ape there was another first Australian man who was forced to pointedly respond to racist spectator behaviour . Hopefully in twenty years from now we won’t still be discussing the subject

File:Nicky Winmar gesture.jpg - Wikipedia

And this is the thing that has been ignored/forgotten/disregarded by those who continue to criticise Adam Goodes for his reaction to the racist abuse in that awful incident in 2013.

The 2013 indigenous round marked the 20th anniversary of the Winmar incident and that iconic pose.

Goodes was used by the AFL to lead media promotions by indigenous players before the 2013 indigenous round, including by replicating the Winmar pose (see below).

For example this article before the 2013 indigenous round:

‘The theme for 2013 – Identity – was inspired by Nicky Winmar’s iconic gesture at Victoria Park in 1993 when, at the conclusion of St Kilda’s match against Collingwood, he raised his jumper and pointed at his skin and declared: “I’m black – and I’m proud to be black!”

The 2013 Indigenous Round will celebrate this moment and remind football fans of its significance in the history of our game, and the identity it gives each and every Indigenous player in the AFL.

“The instant reaction is that it reminds me of the times I’ve had to stand up for myself when I’ve been racially abused on the football field, at school, by my own relatives,” Goodes said.’

Indigenous Round: Adam Goodes - AFL NSW / ACT


And then in the Collingwood 2013 indigenous round match he hears, out of the crowd, one of the worst pieces of racist abuse imaginable. He is called an ape - an animal, not human, the ‘other’ - the explanation used for centuries to justify invasion of indigenous communities, taking their land, murder, rape, exploitation.

And he is criticised for reacting???

This 2014 article by Anthony Sharwood, in the lead-up to Goodes’ 350th match, sums it up:

‘Off field, he’s an inspirational role model, not least in his hands-on role as director of the Go Foundation, which provides scholarships for young indigenous people.’

‘On field, there’s no one quite like the man who tonight notches up an incredible 350th AFL game, and there never really has been.‘

‘So here’s this ripper bloke. This inspirational indigenous Australian. This beautiful, silky footballer who’s a dream to watch. And yet plenty of people don’t like him. Go figure that.’

‘To this writer, it always seemed like Goodes, consciously or subconsciously, was emulating the famous Nicky Winmar gesture in that (2013 indigenous round) moment. Only, instead of pointing to his own chest in pride, Goodes pointed to the section of the crowd from which the insult had emanated. And he did this not to shame anybody personally, but to shame the very mentality of those who would call a black man an ape, and by inference, subhuman.’

Category: | Herald Sun

[KTigers]

Mrs Tigers made a great suggestion last night. Next year all the clubs can wear their indigenous jumpers for the entire season.
Now that would be a statement.