2017 trading, drafting, list management

[Mug Punter]

How do RWO-ers feel about the possibility of Aliir's leaving? I think it was Ludwig who commented that Aliir's game on Saturday was his worst for three years. He's certainly been overtaken, and, from what I gather from RWO comments, he's lost ground rather than gained it this year.

So is there a consensus about his current value to us?

I think he is still very valuable and we'll see just how valuable if something happens to Reg or Melican over the rest of the season. He really is our only KPD cover although some would argue that Sammy could play there at a pinch. Hopefully Jack has developed enough to also be cover by end of next year but it's a bit hard to gauge with the NEAFL results, the sooner we get the mooted AFL Reserves comp on the Eastern Seaboard the better.

All players have their price of course and I think it would take a crazily silly offer from another club, which we won't get because he isn't even playing seniors, for us to even look at a trade.

We have no real areas of weakness on our list, this we have no reason to use him or anyone else as trade bait.

If he doesn't get a good go at seniors next year I hope we can get him to a club that can use him but I would hope a big pre-season will see him raring to go with a point to prove, along with Dawson. On the Dawson note I actually really like that we are making this kid earn his spot in the seniors, even though he is going gangbusters in the twos

[707]

Great news on Sam Reid, was always a must keep player despite some of the trade him out vibes on here. KPF are absolutely the hardest players to get and Reid is a good KPF and a good swingman. All the media noise out of Melbourne has proved to be just that, noise. For all the talk of players moving clubs, all we've seen so far is re-signings.

So that's our re-signings done and what a great effort by the club to get all the key players signed to long term contracts so no poaching from other clubs. We've also got extensions on our youngest future key players, it's a happy place at the Swans.

With everyone locked away we can now concentrate on finals and develop a plan for trade week/fortnight and the ND.

[Jeynez]

I think he is still very valuable and we'll see just how valuable if something happens to Reg or Melican over the rest of the season. He really is our only KPD cover although some would argue that Sammy could play there at a pinch.

Yeah I also believe Reid would just be shifted into defense rather than bringing in Aliir if Melican/Grundy goes down. And I'd argue that Marsh or Laidler is more likely to come into the side before him too.

[Markwebbos]

How do RWO-ers feel about the possibility of Aliir's leaving? I think it was Ludwig who commented that Aliir's game on Saturday was his worst for three years. He's certainly been overtaken, and, from what I gather from RWO comments, he's lost ground rather than gained it this year.

So is there a consensus about his current value to us?

I think he has huge potential and we'd be mad to let him go before he reaches it.

[stevoswan]

I'd like to keep Allir, the potential in what we saw last year is too good to pass up, I hope his head is right after his earlier trip back to his homeland if that indeed has anything to do with his form......and great news about Sammy!

[barry]

Allir feels like a free spirit trapped in a regimented club structure. Maybe he would be better off at gold coast?

[Mark26]

Great news about Reid! Looking at the resignings we have managed this year tells me that our club's culture is healthy.

The question now is, who do we keep? These players are out of contract this year:
Edwards
Fisher
Fox
B Jack
Johnson
Leonardis
McVeigh
Murray
O'Riordan
Pink
Ronke
Talia

[dimelb]

How do RWO-ers feel about the possibility of Aliir's leaving? I think it was Ludwig who commented that Aliir's game on Saturday was his worst for three years. He's certainly been overtaken, and, from what I gather from RWO comments, he's lost ground rather than gained it this year.

So is there a consensus about his current value to us?

Aliir was very good at the business end of last season. If he's done it before, he can do it again.

At present it seems he is a victim of circumstances - come to training late and get replaced by someone who goes on to become a Rising Star nominee. I would certainly pick him to replace injuries to either Reg or Melican, and I don't think Ladler or Marsh are up to his still malleable talent. Moreover if we traded him we would not get anything like his worth from another player at present.

[waswan]

Where is Kingy the adamant @@@@@
"they cant afford him "
he said that about Reid and Jones

[grarmy]

.....So is there a consensus about his current value to us?

Consensus? Among RWOers?

[KTigers]

Re Aliir ; He is in contract. How often do the Swans trade guys in contract? He is a defender in a team with the equal best defence in the league,
a team that has lost two games by one kick in the past thirteen with few injuries, and he is not playing that well in the twos.
Based on that, you would have to say his chances of getting picked in the near future are not great. Sure, he went OK last year.
But that was last year. Whatever petrol tickets he built up then have expired, there are other guys who have built up a nice little pile of their own
more recently.

[Mug Punter]

I've been thinking about Tippett too.

My previous thoughts that he would/should be traded took the assumption that we would need to free up some cap space for Reid and/or Jones.

Now these two are under contract and, presumably, we have no immediate cap issues the situation changes IMO.

They guy still has a price on his head for sure, like all players, but for mine he stays. At the very worst he provides top level cover at both the ruck and KPF areas. I'm a big believer in having good depth across the spine and rucks and we clearly do

KPF - Buddy, Reid, Tippett, Sinclair
KPD - Reg, Melican, Aliir, Reid
Rucks - Sam, Tippett, Sinclair

I think that in the absence of someone being prepared to take all of his salary off our books then he's a keeper.

Longer term we have Jack as a KPD and Cameron as a KPF/Ruck. I could see us drafting an additional ruckman as a rookie this year with a view to putting two years development work into him so that he's is hopefully ready when Sinclair's contract expires. I personally like Maze but I suspect we'd probably be able to get better in the rookie draft from interstate.

[Boddo]

I've been thinking about Tippett too.

My previous thoughts that he would/should be traded took the assumption that we would need to free up some cap space for Reid and/or Jones.

Now these two are under contract and, presumably, we have no immediate cap issues the situation changes IMO.

They guy still has a price on his head for sure, like all players, but for mine he stays. At the very worst he provides top level cover at both the ruck and KPF areas. I'm a big believer in having good depth across the spine and rucks and we clearly do

KPF - Buddy, Reid, Tippett, Sinclair
KPD - Reg, Melican, Aliir, Reid
Rucks - Sam, Tippett, Sinclair

I think that in the absence of someone being prepared to take all of his salary off our books then he's a keeper.

Longer term we have Jack as a KPD and Cameron as a KPF/Ruck. I could see us drafting an additional ruckman as a rookie this year with a view to putting two years development work into him so that he's is hopefully ready when Sinclair's contract expires. I personally like Maze but I suspect we'd probably be able to get better in the rookie draft from interstate.

+1

[KTigers]

No one ever really knows what is in a players head, but my guess is that Tippo thinks of himself as a guy who
can deliver big time KP player/ruckman performances and will help out where needed the rest of the time. He will know that he
hasn't done that consistently enough over the time that he has been at the Swans, partly because his body has failed him and partly
because of too much average form.
I'm sure he would like to perform as a dominating KP player/ruckman more consistently, and he is planning to try and do that.
These guys take personal pride in their performance, and generally they are not short on self belief. He is in contract, so the club
has faith in him, and he spends enough time on his knees scrapping for the ball when that is what is needed, and he doesn't
sulk in the twos, for me never to doubt he is trying as hard as he can. Sure, he is not exactly zipping around the field. But he's
almost seven foot tall and probably weighs as much as a small car, and we hired other guys to do the running. I always like to see
him in the 22.

[Go Swannies]

No one ever really knows what is in a players head, but my guess is that Tippo thinks of himself as a guy who
can deliver big time KP player/ruckman performances and will help out where needed the rest of the time. He will know that he
hasn't done that consistently enough over the time that he has been at the Swans, partly because his body has failed him and partly
because of too much average form.
I'm sure he would like to perform as a dominating KP player/ruckman more consistently, and he is planning to try and do that.
These guys take personal pride in their performance, and generally they are not short on self belief. He is in contract, so the club
has faith in him, and he spends enough time on his knees scrapping for the ball when that is what is needed, and he doesn't
sulk in the twos, for me never to doubt he is trying as hard as he can. Sure, he is not exactly zipping around the field. But he's
almost seven foot tall and probably weighs as much as a small car, and we hired other guys to do the running. I always like to see
him in the 22.

+1

And he's eye-candy for my wife who thinks he looks like Superman.