2017 trading, drafting, list management

[Boddo]

Watching today's U18 game shows what I have said a number of times n that's that no club will trade a future first this year.

[Boddo]

It will be very interesting to see what Kelly decides.

Part of me thinks that you may be right but were GWS to win the flag this year then he'd have to be tempted to move having ticked that box.

This offseason will tell a bit re the GWS salary cap space and their list management. Devon Smith, Hopper, Himmelberg and Kennedy are also comimg off contract too.

Sure they have some good kids but if they lose a couple of them plus Kelly their list will be affected. They'll get good draft picks as compensation but with the 1,000 point Whitfield penalty effectively losing them their first rounder it won't be the usual harvest.

GWS really need to win a flag this year or next for the AFLs love child to have any chance of gaining real traction

Like I've said before I'd like us to bid our first pick on Shipley. I honestly don't think they'll lose many of them. Hopper is the one that I think is a chance to trade for.

[Boddo]

It was a joke Joel Garner, Big Bird as in Joel Garner the West Indian Cricketer......

No idea what he is like, I take it you have followed him closely in the TAC Cup have you

Outside mid, can play as an inside mid at times. Captain of vic metro. Versatile. Definitely draftable

[Boddo]

After watching today's game not much has changed in regards to our academy pics. Would have liked to see brown. Bell has way more upside ATM over Hardman. Looks a possible HBF that can rotate as a outside mid. Hardman is just your typical HF who needs more supply than provided today. Blakey is a pretty good prospect but I've heard people touting him as a possible number 1 pick but after today hopefully people see how strong next years draft will be. Brander for me was disappointing.

[tlock]

How much should the Swans bid for Zak Jones? I think he's over-rated for anything above 400k. If he can get rid of his high turnovers per game he'd be good value at $400k

[Boddo]

How much should the Swans bid for Zak Jones? I think he's over-rated for anything above 400k. If he can get rid of his high turnovers per game he'd be good value at $400k

We've made our offer. We won't bid. He'll get around 500k offer. You have to take into account the rise in the cap. 20% is a massive rise. 500k is the old 400k. He brings something to the side that we don't have n that's aggression n speed. He's only 22 and has a good 8-10 years left in him. Worth every cent of 500k. From what I've heard n read is that he's basically staying n just waiting for the agreement between the afl & alfpa to be signed. It's more the length of the contract that I'm interested in.

[Aprilbr]

I really hope that you're correct, Boddo. We really need Zak's zip and aggression. He seems happy in Sydney and is popular with his team mates so a reasonable offer should do the job.


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[Boddo]

I really hope that you're correct, Boddo. We really need Zak's zip and aggression. He seems happy in Sydney and is popular with his team mates so a reasonable offer should do the job.


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It has been reported several times that he will re-sign.

[Mug Punter]

Reports from Cordy in the Tele that Tippo extended his deal out to 2020 (FFS) early last year, taking a longer deal for a lower annual salary due to liking Sydney.

Hindsight is always a great thing but this would seem a bad deal on the face of it but the devil would be in the detail.

If he has traded $2m in 2017/18 for $2.4m in 2017-20 then I guess I'd say that is line ball. He is effectively on the books at $600K a year which whilst still overs based on current form probably isn't too excessive if he can get fit. And it would dilute the impact he has on the cap squeeze quite a lot.

The problem of course is

(a) There is no way we can get him off the books now because no other club would be mad enough to offer an injury plagued 30 year old a three deal
(b) We still have his significant salary on the books for three more years.

This being the case I'd say we are simply waiting for the CBA to be finalised before we make concrete offers to Sammy and Zak. Like most people I now expect Zak to sign but reckon Sammy is 50-50, reckon we'll make him a genuine offer (unlike with Tom) but one that will still fall way short of some of the Melbourne Clubs.

Re Zak, the talk from the likes of Healy is that $600K a year should get the deal done, I'd think that is pretty close to the mark.

[mattybloods]

no other club would be mad enough to offer an injury plagued 30 year old a three deal

Collingwood?

[waswan]

Still not convinced on Zak at $600K, I understand you have to pay overs this day and age and that he could get more elsewhere but id like to see him on a 4yr deal where his 3rd yr he breaks thru the $600K mark. He has played about 45 games and I reckon I could count on one hand those games that have been exceptional
We could get a 1st Round pick for him

As with Reid he is around $600K as a key position, I wouldn't be going much over that, way too inconsistent.
We need to get these done soon cos I reckon North will miss out on all the big Free Agents and then be in a position to throw stupid money at our 2

We need to go after Hopper, local lad who had as many wraps as Heeney coming out of the GWS academy

[Boddo]

Still not convinced on Zak at $600K, I understand you have to pay overs this day and age and that he could get more elsewhere but id like to see him on a 4yr deal where his 3rd yr he breaks thru the $600K mark. He has played about 45 games and I reckon I could count on one hand those games that have been exceptional
We could get a 1st Round pick for him

As with Reid he is around $600K as a key position, I wouldn't be going much over that, way too inconsistent.
We need to get these done soon cos I reckon North will miss out on all the big Free Agents and then be in a position to throw stupid money at our 2

We need to go after Hopper, local lad who had as many wraps as Heeney coming out of the GWS academy

You offer Reid 600k n then he's basically out the door, probably to Collingwood. The cba has gone up 20% n reports are he's on 500k, your virtually are asking a versatile kpf/kpd who can help out in the ruck to not take a pay rise n sign on knowing he'll get offers of 800k to leave. He's very important to a side that is bereft of key forwards. In any workplace in any type of negotiation you expect a pay rise, it's a given with EBA negotiations. If he leaves I'd love to know who is going to support Franklin going forward? Toby pink? Or go out n pay probably even more to entice a forward to come to Sydney. On Jones he's worth around 500k for me. The majority of his development work has been done. Has great pace and aggression which the side lacks considerably. Adds a lot to the side. You trade him n your back to square one n your first round pick could easily work out to be a Veszpremi. Your basically doing what Brisbane are trying to avoid. Do the first few years of development work n lose them. On Hopper I've said it before that I'd love him but he'll only go to a club that he can good midfield time in n I don't think ATM he would at Sydney. I agree if we could get him but he's more of chance to go to st Kilda or Essendon who gives him a chance of midfield time and success.

[waswan]

Reid isn't worth $800K

Id hit the trade table and go after Danniher/Stringer/McGovern/Moore/Gunston with the first pick we get from Reid

[Mug Punter]

You offer Reid 600k n then he's basically out the door, probably to Collingwood. The cba has gone up 20% n reports are he's on 500k, your virtually are asking a versatile kpf/kpd who can help out in the ruck to not take a pay rise n sign on knowing he'll get offers of 800k to leave. He's very important to a side that is bereft of key forwards. In any workplace in any type of negotiation you expect a pay rise, it's a given with EBA negotiations. If he leaves I'd love to know who is going to support Franklin going forward? Toby pink? Or go out n pay probably even more to entice a forward to come to Sydney. On Jones he's worth around 500k for me. The majority of his development work has been done. Has great pace and aggression which the side lacks considerably. Adds a lot to the side. You trade him n your back to square one n your first round pick could easily work out to be a Veszpremi. Your basically doing what Brisbane are trying to avoid. Do the first few years of development work n lose them. On Hopper I've said it before that I'd love him but he'll only go to a club that he can good midfield time in n I don't think ATM he would at Sydney. I agree if we could get him but he's more of chance to go to st Kilda or Essendon who gives him a chance of midfield time and success.

I think you're right about Reid that we'll need to offer up a bit more than $600K, he'll be prepared to stay for slight unders but I think he's shown how valuable he is to us this year. Touch and go I think.

It's all very subjective of course of what we think a player is worth but ultimately a player is worth what someone will pay him and I think that if we were to offer Jones $500K we'd get blown out of the water and he'd be off sure with clubs like Norf and Saints having $1M plus stashed away from their underspends and frontloading. I think he is incredibly important to us, unlike Mitchell who I rated highly but felt was replaceable, and I think within reason we'll do what it takes to sign him up.

And he also has that upside in him in that he could be elite within a couple of years if he continues his improvement so you offer a 4 year deal, you are also factoring in that unknown factor of what you'll be getting in 2020 and 2021 not just 2018 and 2019.

We'll be doing well to keep both, that's for sure

[Boddo]

Reid isn't worth $800K

Id hit the trade table and go after Danniher/Stringer/McGovern/Moore/Gunston with the first pick we get from Reid

Daniher you'll be paying a mill a season to get him move, Stringer will not leave WB unless you off similar dollars, McGovern will leave for around 600k back to WA, Moore don't even entertain the idea, Gunston I dont mind the idea of but being contracted you'll get screwed over by Hawthorn. Not 800k I've always said around 700k. i think he'll get offered 800k by the tigers. just don't think many people have grasped the change in the cap. 600k is just not that big a number anymore. If anyone is reading this please don't say Blakey, he will not play a senior game until 2019.

I'll also add you'll be paying more than a first round pick for any of those players. It's why Reid is so attractive to other clubs. You don't trade for him.