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  • Blood Fever
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 4045

    Originally posted by Merdo5555
    The worse finals score in a 100 years, a performance that is nothing short of embarrassing. Great coaches don't have such records on their CV's. John is a good coach not a great time. Good coaches win an occasional flag when they get the chance. Great coaches win more than they lose when the get the chance. It's the difference between John and Clarkson. We have a great list (Clarkson predicted us to win at all) yet what we got was a disgrace, again.

    Losing is fine, I wouldn't have been disappointed but happy if we lost a close won. But we got smashed in a final with at least the second best list left. Great coaches don't get smashed in finals.

    If we want to win another premiership we need a great coach not a good one. I'm happy to take the risk to win one in the next few years. The current set-up is not going to win a premiership, change is needed.

    Thank you to John its time to move on. With luck a great coach will get performances from our finals under-performers, sure cant change them all easily but we give them a new coach and a year to turn it around before we undertake ruthless list management. If we just accept such a poor performance we risk repeating it again and again. Great cultures don't accept embarrassment without action.

    It's a risk for sure but I would rather roll the dice and chance it then stand still. Buddy probably only has 1 or 2 top notch years left, if we don't win in the next 2 years we will see his salary weighing the side down. I'm happy we took the risk to get him. It's time to roll the dice again and hope it work out.

    There isn't a great coach out there people will say, yes there is we have to find him.
    Not sure if we have the talent to be rated at least second best list. Maybe Longmire has got the most out of an above average list with a game plan based on pressure and structure. Like all clubs, we will make some changes but shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water .

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    • crackedactor
      Regular in the Side
      • May 2012
      • 919

      Originally posted by Blood Fever
      Not sure if we have the talent to be rated at least second best list. Maybe Longmire has got the most out of an above average list with a game plan based on pressure and structure. Like all clubs, we will make some changes but shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water .
      I think Dermott B. Got it right. Longmire is a great coach for preparing players to compete at AFL level. He is an ordinary game day coach.


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      • Blood Fever
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 4045

        Originally posted by crackedactor
        I think Dermott B. Got it right. Longmire is a great coach for preparing players to compete at AFL level. He is an ordinary game day coach.


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        If you're talking about Friday's game, wouldn't have mattered what he changed. We were off the pace, fumbled and made poor decisions. Dermott just one inflated opinion, like Garry Lyon who also never coached. Ridiculous conclusions are drawn from one game every week.

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        • barry
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 8499

          Originally posted by stevoswan
          Gee you're ------ barry (everyone welcome to fill in the blanks as they see fit)..........as if that's what we meant. How do you come to some of these conclusions??? Or should I actually ask "Who hurt you?" Sheese....
          Gee, you've... really hit Stevenson sensitive spot.., Barry. ??

          Stop being such a wimp Stevie.

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          • crackedactor
            Regular in the Side
            • May 2012
            • 919

            Originally posted by Blood Fever
            If you're talking about Friday's game, wouldn't have mattered what he changed. We were off the pace, fumbled and made poor decisions. Dermott just one inflated opinion, like Garry Lyon who also never coached. Ridiculous conclusions are drawn from one game every week.
            With the attitude the players had, no game day changes would have altered the result. Just his game day choices are almost unheard off. Rohan and Cunningham cannot handle finals football, should have not played. Buddy does not have the mental strength to handle finals either. He should have been used as a decoy on the wing, and maybe attract a good defender away from defence. You have to make selections to suit the particular game. Cannot expect the same side, will work week in week out.


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            • Matty10
              Senior Player
              • Jun 2007
              • 1331

              Originally posted by barry
              Great, let's go back to being shethouse like south Melbourne.
              Clearly, you are just baiting here. Why would anyone who loves this club disparage its history, or roots, just to make a point about the need for a coaching change?

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              • Blood Fever
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2007
                • 4045

                Originally posted by crackedactor
                With the attitude the players had, no game day changes would have altered the result. Just his game day choices are almost unheard off. Rohan and Cunningham cannot handle finals football, should have not played. Buddy does not have the mental strength to handle finals either. He should have been used as a decoy on the wing, and maybe attract a good defender away from defence. You have to make selections to suit the particular game. Cannot expect the same side, will work week in week out.


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                So now Buddy is a liability in finals as well. If this is the case, what a performance by Longmire to get to 2014 and 2016 Grand Finals!

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                • goswannies
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 3049

                  Originally posted by barry
                  Great, let's go back to being shethouse like south Melbourne.
                  Originally posted by barry
                  Gee, you've... really hit Stevenson sensitive spot.., Barry. ??

                  Stop being such a wimp Stevie.
                  Barry, please just stop. It's very, very tiresome reading the baiting and abusive posts.
                  Your good ones are interesting, but they are too few and far between. And the rubbish like the above ones in between disrespects fellow supporters and the club we love.

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                  • crackedactor
                    Regular in the Side
                    • May 2012
                    • 919

                    Originally posted by Blood Fever
                    So now Buddy is a liability in finals as well. If this is the case, what a performance by Longmire to get to 2014 and 2016 Grand Finals!
                    Amazing what people add on. Can you point out where I used the word liability? He is the best full forward in the AFL. However over the last 3 finals exits, he has managed one goal. A champion yes, finals champion, maybe no.


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                    • goswannies
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 3049

                      Originally posted by crackedactor
                      Buddy does not have the mental strength to handle finals either. He should have been used as a decoy on the wing, and maybe attract a good defender away from defence. You have to make selections to suit the particular game. Cannot expect the same side, will work week in week out.
                      Really? I mean really?! I think Buddy has proven himself over the years in finals as a Hawk and a Swan. You'd use the Coleman medalist as a decoy? Not mentally strong? You don't think it was the massive haematoma and the mattress strapped to his thigh that might have been a significant contributor to that poor performance?

                      And before people say he shouldn't have played, if he didn't play and we lost like that - or worse - there would have been baying that he should have.

                      Sliding doors & we'll never know, but I personally think a half fit Buddy was worth a punt. We had no one to replace him with anyway. If you wanted a decoy, they should have played Tippett as he is a good physical foil up forward to take one of the bigger defenders from Buddy (but at that point in time, Tip's form and body simply didn't warrant his selection).

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                      • barry
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8499

                        Originally posted by Matty10
                        Clearly, you are just baiting here. Why would anyone who loves this club disparage its history, or roots, just to make a point about the need for a coaching change?
                        I not interested in a coaching change.

                        I am also not interested in glorifying the south Melbourne period of our existance which was so unsuccessful, it forced the club to relocate. It's part of our history, but a mostly poor part.

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                        • Blood Fever
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 4045

                          Originally posted by crackedactor
                          Amazing what people add on. Can you point out where I used the word liability? He is the best full forward in the AFL. However over the last 3 finals exits, he has managed one goal. A champion yes, finals champion, maybe no.


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                          You said he can't mentally handle finals therefore fair conclusion to draw that he is a liability in finals. Your words.

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                          • Markwebbos
                            Veterans List
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 7186

                            Is this the same Buddy who played one of the best quarters ever played in a final, one legged last week?

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                            • crackedactor
                              Regular in the Side
                              • May 2012
                              • 919

                              Originally posted by Blood Fever
                              You said he can't mentally handle finals therefore fair conclusion to draw that he is a liability in finals. Your words.
                              Obviously people' s brains are turning to mash after the poor performance. If a midfielder gets 20 possessions we say he had a good game, if Dangerfield only gets 20, we say he had played an ordinary or even poor game. I am. Making reference to his high standards, nothing about being a liability to the side!!!!!!


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                              • bodgie
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 501

                                I don't think there is anything wrong with considering a coaching change. Longmire has been brilliant. But fresh leadership might deliver the extra spice we seem to need to deliver a premiership.

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