Match Day Thread Rnd 15 V Melbourne. MCG 19.50 pm.

[Velour&Ruffles]

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[Matty10]

It would be less controversial if they scrapped the deliberate out of bounds and brought in a last-possession rule. If the player had a clean possession (including a ruck tap) and the ball goes out of bounds but not on the full from that possession, some kind of free should be paid to the opposition.

There would still be controversy. I think it is just the nature of our game. People will be arguing over clean possession and players would still try and fumble a ball over the line (deliberately, but disguised), which may or may not be penalised.


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[Velour&Ruffles]

I think he's mentored them very well. He's taught them how to; duck into tackles to earn a free, take a dive when an opponent goes near them, coward punch them behind play, etc.

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His intent IS relevant. That's why they call it "deliberate". Otherwise, the rul would apply to the last person to touch it. Frankly, I would prefer that rule as the current interpretation isn't working.

Thank goodness someone else said this. I wasn't quite sure how I could possibly word a response without suggesting that barry is mentally deficient (or at least has no understanding of what the word "deliberate" means).

[Kez11]

Views on Hewitt please. I'm not convinced!

[S.S. Bleeder]

Views on Hewitt please. I'm not convinced!

Considering those d/heads, Kyrios and Tomic are in the squad, I think he's doing a really good job.

[Mug Punter]

Views on Hewitt please. I'm not convinced!

I think he is coming along really well and one of our most improved.

Having said that he is being used in quite a different role this year from my perspective. Whereas last year he just sheep-dogged in the forward line (and did it well) this year he is being used more in the midfield as an inside player doing a lot of the unfashionable dirty work. He's building his tank and physically he is still putting on that extra bulk too with him being one more pre-season from the finished product.

I see him as the long term Tom Mitchell inside mid replacement (or inside extractor to quote Matt80) and a 200 gamer for us assuming we can keep him.

It's not a criticism but over time I'd expect to see him directly impact the game a bit more, at the moment he is more of a workhorse.

Huge development over the last season and a half

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Considering those d/heads, Kyrios and Tomic are in the squad, I think he's doing a really good job.

Very good

[Beerman]

Interesting that champion data had Rohan as easily our worst player, with a big negative score in the first quarter. I guess missing all those gettable shots counted against him. I thought he did OK, but he lost confidence in his goalkicking too quickly.

He needs to back himself more on the set shots, even when he misses the first few - goalkicking comes and goes. Look at buddy, 0.6 last week and looked to be heading the same way this week, then hits one or two and ends up with 4. No reason Rohan couldn't do the same.

[barry]

Thank goodness someone else said this. I wasn't quite sure how I could possibly word a response without suggesting that barry is mentally deficient (or at least has no understanding of what the word "deliberate" means).

The umpires can't read minds. You do realise this, no?

[Markwebbos]

The umpires can't read minds. You do realise this, no?

But the rule requires them to. That's why it's hugely problematic.

With the Rohan one he lacks a motive for deliberate and in fact has much more reason to want to keep it in play. Hence the gnashing of teeth and use of CAPS by me at the time.

[Sandridge]

Considering those d/heads, Kyrios and Tomic are in the squad, I think he's doing a really good job.

[barry]

But the rule requires them to. That's why it's hugely problematic.
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No it doesn't. The umpires have a few pre-canned scenarios which constitute 'deliberate'. Doesn't matter who the player is. The umpire don't have time to think . Ummmm, he's a fast player, he didn't mean it.
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With the Rohan one he lacks a motive for deliberate and in fact has much more reason to want to keep it in play. Hence the gnashing of teeth and use of CAPS by me at the time.

Gaming of teeth is because you don't get umpiring.

[barry]

Interesting that champion data had Rohan as easily our worst player, with a big negative score in the first quarter. I guess missing all those gettable shots counted against him. I thought he did OK, but he lost confidence in his goalkicking too quickly.

He needs to back himself more on the set shots, even when he misses the first few - goalkicking comes and goes. Look at buddy, 0.6 last week and looked to be heading the same way this week, then hits one or two and ends up with 4. No reason Rohan couldn't do the same.

That's interesting because a number of people on here were justifying Rohan s selection on champion data stats over the past few weeks.

[Velour&Ruffles]

The umpires can't read minds. You do realise this, no?

Sorry to do this, but I'm going to introduce some actual facts here. The rule says:

15.6 FREE KICKS ? RELATING TO OUT OF BOUNDS
15.6.1 When Awarded
A Free Kick shall be awarded against a Player who:
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(c) intentionally Kicks, Handballs or forces the football over the Boundary Line without the football being touched by another Player;

So the umpires are required by the rules of the game to read minds and think about the player's intention. You do realise this, no?

And as for your comment that "The umpires have a few pre-canned scenarios which constitute 'deliberate'. ", that was PRECISELY my point when I commented that the umpires showed no feel for the game when they penalised Rohan. They clearly do rely on pre-cannned scenarios rather than actually thinking about the INTENTION of the player, as the rules require them to do. So you have actually entirely supported what I was saying (albeit you didn't mean to). You do realise this, no?

[Scottee]

Sorry to do this, but I'm going to introduce some actual facts here. The rule says:

15.6 FREE KICKS ? RELATING TO OUT OF BOUNDS
15.6.1 When Awarded
A Free Kick shall be awarded against a Player who:
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(c) intentionally Kicks, Handballs or forces the football over the Boundary Line without the football being touched by another Player;

So the umpires are required by the rules of the game to read minds and think about the player's intention. You do realise this, no?

And as for your comment that "The umpires have a few pre-canned scenarios which constitute 'deliberate'. ", that was PRECISELY my point when I commented that the umpires showed no feel for the game when they penalised Rohan. They clearly do rely on pre-cannned scenarios rather than actually thinking about the INTENTION of the player, as the rules require them to do. So you have actually entirely supported what I was saying (albeit you didn't mean to). You do realise this, no?

Its hard to regard Aussie Rules as a world class game when they include such crap as mind reading as part of the rule book.

[barry]

You are expecting too much of the umpires.

The objective of that rule is to keep the ball in play. Rohans kick and Shaw's last night, didn't. Penalty is harsh, but fair (and good in my opinion). The commentators have a whine but they are dinosaurs.