2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

“But once we decide enough is enough, Then you will be dead to us and we’ll trade you out to make way for someone better*”

*Andrew Gaff maybe

[S.S. Bleeder]

Trade week doesn't start for 2 weeks. Besides one Sam Reid is more than enough.

+1.

This rumour has been going around for a while but GWS Sam Reid is very average and has been delisted a couple of times so why we would be interested in him amazes me.

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No not sarcastic, I followed a link from here (can't remember which one) which had the comings and goings summarized and was shocked to see GWS Sam Reid listed as a signing?! AFL Trade News & Rumours | Zero Hanger

Zero hanger has been saying that for weeks. I'm sure it's a typo or admin error.

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FFS. Will people stop saying resigned when they mean re-signed.

[YvonneH]

+1.

This rumour has been going around for a while but GWS Sam Reid is very average and has been delisted a couple of times so why we would be interested in him amazes me.

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Zero hanger has been saying that for weeks. I'm sure it's a typo or admin error.

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FFS. Will people stop saying resigned when they mean re-signed.

A big difference between resigned and re-signed.
I agree that a few times I have had heart palpations when the headlines says resigned when they mean re-signed.

[Markwebbos]

+1.

This rumour has been going around for a while but GWS Sam Reid is very average and has been delisted a couple of times so why we would be interested in him amazes me..

Spare parts for the other Sam Reid?

[crackedactor]

So interesting Barrett that the one player we really wanted to re-sign has put pen to a four year contract. Pathetic rumour monger is Barrett, his Sliding Doors column is often cringe worthy.

Barrett also said that despite Parker saying on Twitter that he is going nowhere, there is still a chance he will end up at Essendon. I hope he is also wrong with this one as well!


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[liz]

The definition of what constitutes an inside midfielder, and midfielder in general, is blurring. Now an inside midfielder is what we might call a stoppage specialist. It doesn't meant that it's all they do, but represents the player's point of difference. I think of Florent, Ronke, Ling and Stoddart as midfielders. I still expect them to win contested possessions, but not so much at stoppages.

If we want to play the tried and true Swans footy of the past dozen years or so, then maybe we can just continue piling up inside mids. But I think we need to continue the change to more of an outside game, especially since we don't have a proven dominant ruckman. A stoppage focused game really only favours Kennedy, which is important, but he is 30 and probably not in our next premiership. The rest, like Heeney and Mills, can go with a more balanced game. This past year convinced me that we have to get out of the stoppage focused game plan.

I don't think it's about choosing a stoppage based plan. It's about recognising that football today tends towards high pressure and contests. Sure, the good teams use the ball well and have plenty of run, but they can also win the ball in close. We spent most of this year in defence because our ability to win centre clearances, or create turnovers in and around the forward 50 and middle of the ground was way down on previous years.

I'm not suggesting the club should "continue piling up inside mids", just that there needs to be a balance between those who can win the ball and those who can use it. Sure, it would be great if every player to pull on a red and white guernsey was brilliant at both, but it doesn't work that way. We have literally NO onballers in our NEAFL side - not ones likely to play that way in the senior team in the foreseeable future. If we don't start developing the next generation but rather focus entirely on "outside run", we'll land up like Essendon - plenty of pretty ball users but with too few who can win their own ball. That's great when you can get the game played on your terms, but not when you need to get down and dirty, as Essendon discovered in the 2017 finals series.

It comes down to balance.

[Ludwig]

It comes down to balance.

I certainly agree with this, Liz. It's just determining where to put the fulcrum. Balance is also the word that comes into my mind when I think about the direction of the team.

We will agree that the game is changing and becoming faster and being played under more pressure. This trend is not likely to change. We will not be going back to a slower game. There is a shift in favour of having more players able to get to a contest, as well as more contests, rather than players who are better at winning the ball once at a contest. This is saying more or less the same thing as the first sentence, i.e. that the game is favouring quicker and harder runners.

Melbourne and Collingwood were the best contested possession teams in the comp. They both have a lot of depth in their midfields. They are both hard running and have contested ball winners in positions all over the ground. It's also no coincidence that they have the best ruckmen in the comp, and that's probably where most of the differential is coming from. It doesn't matter for them if the game is played on the inside or the outside, because they have both areas covered. Maybe with Champion Data, which I don't subscribe to, a deeper analysis can be made. I doubt that having more onballers will help much if we're getting beaten badly at stoppages because of ruck contests. Keeping Nankervis, as we saw tonight, would not be a solution.

In the end, we'll have to find our own unique formula for winning with the developing group of players on our list. The picture is still unclear what that is. The game plan will evolve naturally from the strengths of the players. Our commitment to regenerating the list is too far down the road to change course. We just have to hope that we've chosen the right mix of players to meet the challenges ahead. And also hoping we recruit a couple of quality mature players during the trade period to round things out.

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Barrett also said that despite Parker saying on Twitter that he is going nowhere, there is still a chance he will end up at Essendon. I hope he is also wrong with this one as well!

Parker has made him look stupid so he's just going the same line again to make it look like there really was substance to his initial rumour. I'll say it again

Barrett - bottom feeder

[KSAS]

From "The Roar":
Andrew Gaff – There’s some speculation that Sydney have been a late entry into the race for Andrew Gaff as the Swans face the prospect of having money to spend following the impending departure of Dan Hannebery.

Previously it appeared to be a choice between West Coast or North Melbourne for Andrew Gaff, as the Roos have offered a deal reportedly worth $1.2 million per year, significantly more than West Coast’s offer which is believed to be around $900,000.

[S.S. Bleeder]

From "The Roar":
Andrew Gaff – There’s some speculation that Sydney have been a late entry into the race for Andrew Gaff as the Swans face the prospect of having money to spend following the impending departure of Dan Hannebery.

Previously it appeared to be a choice between West Coast or North Melbourne for Andrew Gaff, as the Roos have offered a deal reportedly worth $1.2 million per year, significantly more than West Coast’s offer which is believed to be around $900,000.

A Carlton supporter on BF suggested that he'd actually signed with us (or at least agreed to our offer). I strongly doubt this as West Coke are still playing.

[Molly dooker]

A Carlton supporter on BF suggested that he'd actually signed with us (or at least agreed to our offer). I strongly doubt this as West Coke are still playing.

But Gaff's not. Time to deal on his own.

He would be fab and what a coup!

[aardvark]

Gaff, random thug to favorite son in 24 hours.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Gaff All Australian highlight reel - YouTube

Left footer running down our left wing to be honest gaffs style of play is a perfect compliment to dropping the ball on buddy’s chest every time

Especially to buddy’s fav spot on the left side of the arc

[Auntie.Gerald]

I have no doubt in my mind gaff was going for a chest strike

Brayshaw was falling away as it happened and it was the most awkward clumsy swing that ended up following thru as brayShaw was falling backwards which meant the punch kept rising up to brayShaws chin

Yes gaff thru the swinging arm
Yes gaff should cop a big penalty

Personally i am totally confident that if brayShaw had his mouth closed ie jaw locked and wasn’t falling backwards it would have been negligible

If been hit by those swinging arms in afl almost every second game and they rarely rise that high nor do minimal damage except being winded occasionally

The hit by GWS Cameron this season was the most cowardly forearm I have seen in a decade yet Cameron really got off lightly in my opinion and not much media because he is up here in Sydney

Gaff needs Sydney as much as Sydney needs gaff

We need a very composed outside player left footed to set up our forwards

Gaff has never shown this malicious intent ever prior to that clumsy stupid swinging arm

Clean skin prior for 150 odd games and plays every game bar one with the right spirit

I think we all saw his genuine remorse for reckless action and complete shock

[aardvark]

I have no doubt in my mind gaff was going for a chest strike

Brayshaw was falling away as it happened and it was the most awkward clumsy swing that ended up following thru as brayShaw was falling backwards which meant the punch kept rising up to brayShaws chin

Yes gaff thru the swinging arm
Yes gaff should cop a big penalty

Personally i am totally confident that if brayShaw had his mouth closed ie jaw locked and wasn’t falling backwards it would have been negligible

If been hit by those swinging arms in afl almost every second game and they rarely rise that high nor do minimal damage except being winded occasionally

The hit by GWS Cameron this season was the most cowardly forearm I have seen in a decade yet Cameron really got off lightly in my opinion and not much media because he is up here in Sydney

Gaff needs Sydney as much as Sydney needs gaff

We need a very composed outside player left footed to set up our forwards

Gaff has never shown this malicious intent ever prior to that clumsy stupid swinging arm

Clean skin prior for 150 odd games and plays every game bar one with the right spirit

I think we all saw his genuine remorse for reckless action and complete shock

I heard he needs a new press agent. You should apply AG.