2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[KSAS]

I'm surprised Mason Cox doesn't ask to be traded to the Dallas Cowboys. Why do so many Australians in their mid 20s need to be less than an hour from mummy?

I've been absolutely appalled this year by how the AFL has permitted the dismantling of the GC Suns and the general tolerance of allowing players to have de facto free agency even though a formal free agency process has already been negotiated and is in effect.

The AFL has become a total farce. I still want to enjoy seeing the Swans play entertaining football, but couldn't care less if we win the premiership or the wooden spoon. The equalisation program touted by AFL is a complete failure, and equity in the competition has never been worse.

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I really do hope Geelong stick to their guns & make Kelly see his 2nd year of his contract out, otherwise it is going to set a terrible precedent for future draftees with sobbing go home excuses after just 1 year. What's turned fans off with Kelly is the fact he has already nominated WC as his preferred club (rumoured offering him 5yr x $600k deal), when in reality he shouldn't care less if Geelong trade him to Freo if his prime motive is to return to WA for pressing family needs.

As pointed out earlier in this thread, players shouldn't nominate for draft if playing outside their state is going to be a issue, like Kelly who did so for the lure of good $$$$ and then deliberately manipulate system to get back home after just 1 year.

[0918330512]

As pointed out earlier in this thread, players shouldn't nominate for draft if playing outside their state is going to be a issue, like Kelly who did so for the lure of good $$$$ and then deliberately manipulate system to get back home after just 1 year.

Ok, hands up if you’ve ever bought an Oz Lotto ticket? Or a Powerball ticket? Or even a Scratchie ticket?

The odds of winning a major prize in Oz Lotto is 1 in 45 million. Oz Lotto, 1 in 76.6 million. Even scratchies range from 1:200,000 to 1:1.7million.

A WA, SA, NSW or Qld kid nominates for the draft and wants to stay in WA, is he’s drafted he’s got a 1 in 9 chance of staying in their home state.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the “go home” excuse as I’m not too bothered by living away from my origins and have done so since I was a teenager.

But if a kid wants to take a punt on playing AFL footy in his home state, I wouldn’t begrudge them nominating any more than I’d begrudge someone buying a little lotto ticket for worse odds.

And I also accept that many non-footballers move interstate and internationally for a year or two only to return home. Many of my work colleagues have done just that. A 2 year post post-doc position in a lab in Germany for the experience with full intention of returning to Australia. How is that any different?

[KSAS]

The difference is they are not honouring the contract they agreed to sign up to. In Kelly's case wanting to renege within 12 months of signing it! In the work examples given above, there doesn't appear to be any contractual agreement involved where the orginisation has fully INVESTED in you as you're free to come & go as you please (i.e. equivalent of just receiving match payments).

Secondly, the draft is not a lottery ticket where if your numbers don't come up you go to the lottery office and cry for your money back because the loss has caused you financial hardship!

What I'm trying to say is you need to accept the risks & commitments involved with any decisions you make, especially when it involves a contractual agreement. Sounds like players now want a 12 month cooling off period after signing!

[stevoswan]

Ok, hands up if you’ve ever bought an Oz Lotto ticket? Or a Powerball ticket? Or even a Scratchie ticket?

The odds of winning a major prize in Oz Lotto is 1 in 45 million. Oz Lotto, 1 in 76.6 million. Even scratchies range from 1:200,000 to 1:1.7million.

A WA, SA, NSW or Qld kid nominates for the draft and wants to stay in WA, is he’s drafted he’s got a 1 in 9 chance of staying in their home state.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the “go home” excuse as I’m not too bothered by living away from my origins and have done so since I was a teenager.

But if a kid wants to take a punt on playing AFL footy in his home state, I wouldn’t begrudge them nominating any more than I’d begrudge someone buying a little lotto ticket for worse odds.

And I also accept that many non-footballers move interstate and internationally for a year or two only to return home. Many of my work colleagues have done just that. A 2 year post post-doc position in a lab in Germany for the experience with full intention of returning to Australia. How is that any different?

I get just a tad irked by analogies between the business world and team sport (Matt80 where are you?). Sure they both involve 'jobs' but they are different situations. One involves acceptably selfish personal development to achieve success and the other involves a 'team' oriented approach where loyalty to others is the key to success. Players who treat their sporting careers as a business and themselves as a marketable commodity are in the wrong game IMO and may be better suited to the more selfish personal pursuits of business......from a team sport standpoint, would you want to be in the trenches with such a player?

[0918330512]

I get just a tad irked by analogies between the business world and team sport (Matt80 where are you?). Sure they both involve 'jobs' but they are different situations. One involves acceptably selfish personal development to achieve success and the other involves a 'team' oriented approach where loyalty to others is the key to success. Players who treat their sporting careers as a business and themselves as a marketable commodity are in the wrong game IMO and may be better suited to the more selfish personal pursuits of business......from a team sport standpoint, would you want to be in the trenches with such a player?

True enuff. But it is becoming more of a business. Most sports are.

But I do respect your opinion

Cheers

Matt09183305

[The Runner]

The players are not asking to break a contract. They are asking to be traded. If the club cab facilitate the request, they are compensated via a trade. If they cannot, the player stays and has to fulfill their contract.
The only example we have seen really it not play out as it should, was Cam McCarthy. But there were other factors at play there that are well rumoured.

What we are seeing that we hadn't before is the balance of power sitting with the player so significantly. For Tim Kelly to want to be traded home, but exclusively with West Coast is an overreach from the player. If he wants Perth, Geelong should be able to work to get the best deal from either club. But the player is able to dictate this more than we are used to.

[Ludwig]

What bothers me is that clubs that have not raided GC, GWS or Brisbane, for whatever reason, end up at a disadvantage. It should be the AFL's responsibility to protect the integrity of the game by not allowing this to happen.

What the AFL has done instead is water down any equalization measures aimed at helping the northern clubs and given new special player access rights to the non-northern clubs to offset the equalization measures of the academy programs.

The net effect of the more liberal player movements we see this year is to weaken the northern clubs in favour of the rest of the league, especially the Victorian clubs.

[Melbournehammer]

I get just a tad irked by analogies between the business world and team sport (Matt80 where are you?). Sure they both involve 'jobs' but they are different situations. One involves acceptably selfish personal development to achieve success and the other involves a 'team' oriented approach where loyalty to others is the key to success. Players who treat their sporting careers as a business and themselves as a marketable commodity are in the wrong game IMO and may be better suited to the more selfish personal pursuits of business......from a team sport standpoint, would you want to be in the trenches with such a player?

I understand the frustrations of a fan, but the players are full time professionals who happen to be playing for a team. They are entitled to maximise their income. They are the ones having surgery at the end of every season and are one bad fall away from suffering career ending injury,

And players get it better than fans do.

The key measure is the salary cap. The draft is a vehicle to spread initial talent. But it is the salary cap which leads to clubs not having them all.

The real issue at the moment is a failure to recognise that some players will accept less to achieve team success. So it's not too much movement or too professional players but too little.

[The Runner]

What bothers me is that clubs that have not raided GC, GWS or Brisbane, for whatever reason, end up at a disadvantage. It should be the AFL's responsibility to protect the integrity of the game by not allowing this to happen.

What the AFL has done instead is water down any equalization measures aimed at helping the northern clubs and given new special player access rights to the non-northern clubs to offset the equalization measures of the academy programs.

The net effect of the more liberal player movements we see this year is to weaken the northern clubs in favour of the rest of the league, especially the Victorian clubs.

We'll never experienced equalisation when the Grand Final is only played in one state and the majority of players are drafted from there.
If anyone complains about "home sickness" and being child like, you obviously don't get the value of living near your best mates and family

[Velour&Ruffles]

I'm surprised Mason Cox doesn't ask to be traded to the Dallas Cowboys. Why do so many Australians in their mid 20s need to be less than an hour from mummy?

I've been absolutely appalled this year by how the AFL has permitted the dismantling of the GC Suns and the general tolerance of allowing players to have de facto free agency even though a formal free agency process has already been negotiated and is in effect.

The AFL has become a total farce. I still want to enjoy seeing the Swans play entertaining football, but couldn't care less if we win the premiership or the wooden spoon. The equalisation program touted by AFL is a complete failure, and equity in the competition has never been worse.

Interesting. I entirely agree philosophically and emotionally...... yet in fairness I have to note that since 2000 we've had 10 different clubs win premierships, including 3 breaking extended droughts (Swans, WB, Tiges .... and arguably Pies and Cats had not been very successful in past 40 years either) and non-Vic clubs well represented (Pt Ad, WCE x 2, Lions x 3, Swans x 2). My gut tells me that the comp is skewed and the AFl are a bunch of incestuous incompetent erratic shysters .... but I'm not quite sure how to argue against this data. I agree their silly rules have allowed the plundering of the Suns, but overall don't the results suggest that their equalisation strategies are basically working? I hate saying this because I loathe Gill so I'm hoping you can give me the counterpoints.

[barry]

The current AFL rules have only been in place for a few years which has seen this period of Vic dominance, because they are Vic centric.
Swans and lions flags are almost from a different era now.

[Swannette]

2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

Getting tiresome this topic now. Especially the overthinking re motivations of people whose thoughts and goals are unknown. Much more interesting to all of us when the discussion is around the facts



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[Bloods05]

Getting tiresome this topic now. Especially the overthinking re motivations of people whose thoughts and goals are unknown. Much more interesting to all of us when the discussion is around the facts



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Are you trying to destroy this forum?

[Melbourne_Blood]

The current AFL rules have only been in place for a few years which has seen this period of Vic dominance, because they are Vic centric.
Swans and lions flags are almost from a different era now.

What era is the eagles one from ? That really recent one


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[dimelb]

Interesting. I entirely agree philosophically and emotionally...... yet in fairness I have to note that since 2000 we've had 10 different clubs win premierships, including 3 breaking extended droughts (Swans, WB, Tiges .... and arguably Pies and Cats had not been very successful in past 40 years either) and non-Vic clubs well represented (Pt Ad, WCE x 2, Lions x 3, Swans x 2). My gut tells me that the comp is skewed and the AFl are a bunch of incestuous incompetent erratic shysters .... but I'm not quite sure how to argue against this data. I agree their silly rules have allowed the plundering of the Suns, but overall don't the results suggest that their equalisation strategies are basically working? I hate saying this because I loathe Gill so I'm hoping you can give me the counterpoints.

I think you're right about the equalisation strategies, and there is a chance that Brisbane will do better next season after we saw some of their potential in this season. But GC are in serious trouble and need help from the powers that be, who seem to have forgotten that Queensland is Rugby League territory. I don't know their club officials or how competent they are, and I don't know to what extent the apparent division of the players into the Abletts and the Rest has upset the club applecart (enter Rumour painted full of tongues), but some kind of assistance from the AFL is badly needed, whether it be financial or advisory or both.