2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Aprilbr]

2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

I think the Swans still feel that they can get the Blakey deal done without losing number 13 (or what it might become). That deal to trade Murray last year for a future second round pick looks handy now for that purpose although Collingwood’s good season means it’s not as high as it could have been. My view is that we should not be afraid to go to the draft with the first pick unless someone really good comes up. Remember we traded Mitchell for number 14 so it would need to be a player of that potential.


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[Aprilbr]

I have mixed feelings about missing out on Moore. He certainly has athleticism and immense potential but given we already have our fair share of injury plagued big guys (Reid, Mellican, Naismith) do we want to risk bringing in another? The good news is that the decision seems to have been taken away from us by his decision to resign at Collingwood. Now Collingwood are likely to be paying him something approaching his market value rather than unders. Hopefully this means that they can’t afford May now.


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[Legs Akimbo]

Worrying that a possible raft of FA moves are starting to dilute the points for our picks.

Lynch pushes back all our picks one place, Gaff & Lycett who appear almost certain to go push them back another two places and maybe more to come :-(

Also means we'll get less points for trading out pick 13 for two second rounders if that's what we do.

From an econometric perspective, the rules around free agency are dodgy as hell. The system makes third parties (i.e .other clubs) pay a transaction cost to the benefit of BOTH the transactors despite having no direct involvement. The main winner from any free agency deal appears to be the recipient club, which is itself driving free agency particularly because free agents will accept less to play at a 'destination' club and their old club knows retaining a player that wants out is a poor option. In this system, there is a free lunch and the football state clubs are munching on some rather tasty fare from the development state clubs. This situation is entirely of the AFL's making.

Why does the system not require the recipient club to pay a transaction cost other than cap space?

[caj23]

From an econometric perspective, the rules around free agency are dodgy as hell. The system makes third parties (i.e .other clubs) pay a transaction cost to the benefit of BOTH the transactors despite having no direct involvement. The main winner from any free agency deal appears to be the recipient club, which is itself driving free agency particularly because free agents will accept less to play at a 'destination' club and their old club knows retaining a player that wants out is a poor option. In this system, there is a free lunch and the football state clubs are munching on some rather tasty fare from the development state clubs. This situation is entirely of the AFL's making.

Why does the system not require the recipient club to pay a transaction cost other than cap space?

The system is flawed and favours the strong Melbourne clubs.

They should put a mark up on the recipient club (say 10%) if they are taking the player from a bottom 4 club

[longmile]

sounds like a future second round pick is confirmed for hanneberry. hope they take his whole salary, otherwise what's the point?

[Mr Magoo]

sounds like a future second round pick is confirmed for hanneberry. hope they take his whole salary, otherwise what's the point?

Agree - why would you let a player of Hanneberrys capability go even for that. Unless there is a degenerative injury that he wont recover from , his upside is far better than any downside and after all he is still contracted to us.

[Markwebbos]

I rumoured Tipoff wanted to come back in weeks and weeks ago.

The Mummy story feels as out there as one of yours Annie

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Casboult is an interesting one. He's a really handy tall forward....great mark, who struggles in front of goal.

If Plugger or whoever is our goal kicking coach could fix his technique, particularly his ball drop, he'd be a great get at a very reasonable price you would think.

Big if I know.

Duryea may well become a Swan today.

Thought big Levi had spent time with a goal kicking coach and improved significantly.

Duryea is a FA so 2moz at the earliest

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This is an extremely speculative piece, but no harm in dreaming

Will the Sydney Swans make a late charge at Dylan Shiel?

Sydney could make a late charge to acquire Dylan Shiel’s services, as the 25-year-old inches closer to making a call on his future.

[KTigers]

One prediction from 2014 appears to be coming true. And that is that Buddy's $1.1M PA average salary (over the nine years
of his contract) mightn't seem so high down the track. You wonder if he have signed say a five year deal then with us, what
he would be worth for a new four year deal (2019-2022). As much as the numbers bandied about lately for Shiel, Gaff, Kelly?

[moocher]

For what he's brought the club I think he's cheap. I would imagine that he'd be worth well over $1.2 mill today.

One prediction from 2014 appears to be coming true. And that is that Buddy's $1.1M PA average salary (over the nine years
of his contract) mightn't seem so high down the track. You wonder if he have signed say a five year deal then with us, what
he would be worth for a new four year deal (2019-2022). As much as the numbers bandied about lately for Shiel, Gaff, Kelly?

[Molly dooker]

For what he's brought the club I think he's cheap. I would imagine that he'd be worth well over $1.2 mill today.

Buddy paid for himself in memberships, merch and sponsorship in the first year apparently.

We are nearly there Annie.

[KTigers]

Buddy paid for himself in memberships, merch and sponsorship in the first year apparently.

We are nearly there Annie.

Average attendance at H & A games has increased 20% between 2013 & 2018. That's an extra 5,662 people on average per game.
You've got to think he is responsible for a decent chunk of that. Plus he's kicked the odd goal as well....

[liz]

One prediction from 2014 appears to be coming true. And that is that Buddy's $1.1M PA average salary (over the nine years
of his contract) mightn't seem so high down the track. You wonder if he have signed say a five year deal then with us, what
he would be worth for a new four year deal (2019-2022). As much as the numbers bandied about lately for Shiel, Gaff, Kelly?

On a per year basis it looked very good value back then, even before the massive salary cap increase (which the Swans largely anticipated when they signed him, though maybe not to the same extent as the actual increase). The biggest question mark was - and still is - how much of his contract he'll play out. While he's playing he's probably getting unders, but if we land up paying him for a couple of seasons beyond when he's capable of playing, it might bite a bit. The good thing is that despite needing repair work at the end of every season he's played with us, he is still capable of performing at a high level, but career ending (or limiting) injuries can come quickly and four years is still quite a way to go. On the other hand, it's (at least) four years of potential enjoyment we get to have from watching him strut his stuff. And he still seems to be as engaged and enthusiastic about football as he was five years ago.

[AnnieH]

At the end of the day, we will look back at think what a bargain Buddy was.

Being penalised by the AFL for getting him is still a bit rich (seeings the only one moaning was Eddie Everywhere), especially after they had approved the contract.

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On a per year basis it looked very good value back then, even before the massive salary cap increase (which the Swans largely anticipated when they signed him, though maybe not to the same extent as the actual increase). The biggest question mark was - and still is - how much of his contract he'll play out. While he's playing he's probably getting unders, but if we land up paying him for a couple of seasons beyond when he's capable of playing, it might bite a bit. The good thing is that despite needing repair work at the end of every season he's played with us, he is still capable of performing at a high level, but career ending (or limiting) injuries can come quickly and four years is still quite a way to go. On the other hand, it's (at least) four years of potential enjoyment we get to have from watching him strut his stuff. And he still seems to be as engaged and enthusiastic about football as he was five years ago.

If worst comes to worst... I'd just leave him standing in the goal square. He doesn't have to move. Just stand there and take a defender (or seven) out of the picture.

[Plugger46]

His body was just coming good prior to the groin injury and he was dominating again.

If he's fit, he's still the best player in the comp. I reckon he'll see out the contract.

[KTigers]

All up Buddy has been very durable in his five years with us and has played 108 games so far.
Also we are 76-and-32 when he plays. That's a win ratio of 70% when he's out there.