2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[mcs]

Of all our more experienced out-of-contract NEAFL players, he'd be the first one I'd keep. He's shown gradual improvement in his time with the club and his NEAFL grand final was exceptional in a side being badly thrashed.

There are a couple of other names missing from the list of delistees - Fox, Pink, Robinson. Robbo asked for a trade last off-season but no other club was much interested. Maybe they'll offer him around again. If no-one bites, he's a handy depth player to keep on the list, if he's happy to hang around on that basis. Similarly Fox might be worth hanging onto for another year. Doubt he'll push his way into the best 22 but he's OK as the 22nd player picked when there are some injuries.

The non-naming of Pink at this stage suggests that maybe they still see something in him. I acknowledge injury robbed him of any chance to improve this year, but I struggle to see him taking the step to AFL level in the near future (ie two or three years), at least as a forward. He just doesn't seem to have the instincts or mongrel. If you compare his first year to the raw and imperfect first year of Amartey, they were poles apart.

As always, very well put Liz. I was also surprised that Pink surprised the chop - as you say the comparison between his first year and Amartey's first year could not have been more different. Maybe they will give him the benefit of the doubt and give him one last gamble - or perhaps they are waiting to see how cards fall later on after trading etc.

I think Fox will be kept on (I agree he is a fringe player but not a bad one), and Robbo is likely a wait and see job in terms of if there is any interest.

[azzzr]

really doesnt sound like the moore deal is happening, they wanted our first rounder now 13 which is overs in this draft so they could add it onto their first round selection for may but im guessing gold coast already said we aint accepting 13+17

[Muttley]

My god we seem to be talking to some very ordinary footballers.
We really are hamstrung by some terrible list management decisions. Tippett, Hanners, Reid and Jack come to mind.

[Muttley]

So if we put in a decent offer for Moore
Collingwood doesn’t match it
Collingwood want May
Suns accept pick 12 we give to pies

Who can trump this ?

Only the pies if they want to keep Moore?

Seriously if we can start to compete in the Ruck again wow we are a different team

All our contested players can truly contest again

Plus in Moore we have a very versatile Ruck forward defender if Naismith comes back and hits his straps

Plus buddy has an inferior defender or les two on ones which would be nice

I am thinking Moore will end up a good ruckman who can go fwd occasionally.
Means we still need to pursue another key fwd.

[Aprilbr]

My god we seem to be talking to some very ordinary footballers.
We really are hamstrung by some terrible list management decisions. Tippett, Hanners, Reid and Jack come to mind.

I think this is a harsh assessment. All of those guys have been seriously mpacted by injury. That's hard to predict.

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I think this is a harsh assessment. All of those guys have been seriously mpacted by injury. That's hard to predict.

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Lucky his list left off AJ, the only injuries we could probably have predicted

[Aprilbr]

I think that Towers is unlucky to be delisted as he has contributed well at times. The others were quite predictable. Some more departures also possible. Could be as many as 10 departures this offseason. Time for a clean out to revitalize the list.

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[waswan]

KB saying pick 5 is expected for Blakely is a way of telling the Pies that they cant have 13 for Moore

I think their best best is a swap of 1st rounders for Moore 13/17
I hope its less so say we hang onto 13

Newman straight swap for Clarke and North dont bid on Blakely

Rohan for Thurlow/Murdoch or
Rohan and 66 gor 52 or 55 or 56
and Geelong dont bid on Blakely

Vandenburg for next years 2nd or 3rd round and Melb dont bid on Blakely after they get 2 top ten picks for Hogan from Freo

Hanners for next year 2nd round and a player and Saints dont bid on Blakely

Being a reasonable trade partner we save on a Blakely bid

Pick 1 Carlton safe
Pick 2 GC King
Pick 3 Compo GC King
Pick 4 Saints Safe
Pick 5 Melb safe
Pick 6 Melb Safe
Pick 7 WB not safe
Pick 8 Adelaide (local)
Pick 9 EssGws Shiel Not Safe
Pick 10 Port Local
Pick 11 North Safe
Pick 12 Geelong Safe
Pick 13 Sydney
Bid comes after 13

So trading smart could theoretically net us Pick 13 plus Blakely

[aardvark]

Word is Moore will stay a pie for slightly less cash than he wanted.

[ISIBIDBI]

Just because we’ve possibly missed all the good mids available ( wouldn’t count us out of having a trick up the sleeve just yet ) doesn’t mean our first round pick for Moore is a good deal. I think he is a worth maybe an early second round pick ( which we don’t have , but could possibly get our hands on , whether it’s this year or next years , St Kilda’s 2nd round pick next year which we should get for hanners ). Perhaps us throwing a ‘steak knives’ player in too , although whether they would want any of our fringe players Is another story.


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I think this is an interesting scenario, seems quite unlikely Collingwood would accept a second round pick for Moore, but I guess if they needed the cap space for May it would make sense for us to do a simple 3 way trade with Collingwood and St Kilda:

Sydney get Moore
Collingwood get St Kilda's 2019 2nd Round pick
St Kilda get Hanners

[Auntie.Gerald]

Wonder if May is a possibility for the Swans ?

Ie if Collingwood can’t get May and decide to keep Moore ?

[Melbourne_Blood]

Brody miochek from the pies would be a good target , apparently has an underwhelming two year deal on the table from Collingwood , which he looks likely to accept. Really liked his finals series ( barring the GF) , he was awesome against the tigers in the prelim. Plus his name is fun to say.


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[cruiser]

Wonder if May is a possibility for the Swans ?

Ie if Collingwood can’t get May and decide to keep Moore ?

I’d take May ahead of Moore.

[S.S. Bleeder]

really doesnt sound like the moore deal is happening, they wanted our first rounder now 13 which is overs in this draft so they could add it onto their first round selection for may but im guessing gold coast already said we aint accepting 13+17

I agree. Especially seeing that May will most likely go to Melbourne. We clearly want a good defender or two to free up Jones and Mills so I wonder who it will be? I think the available ones have been taken so will we end up paying overs for a contracted player? What about Schoenmakers?

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My god we seem to be talking to some very ordinary footballers.
We really are hamstrung by some terrible list management decisions. Tippett, Hanners, Reid and Jack come to mind.

To be fair to the club they probably didn't foresee that the VFL would reduce our salary cap by 9.8% over only 3 years.

[swansrob]

KB saying pick 5 is expected for Blakely is a way of telling the Pies that they cant have 13 for Moore

I think their best best is a swap of 1st rounders for Moore 13/17
I hope its less so say we hang onto 13

Newman straight swap for Clarke and North dont bid on Blakely

Rohan for Thurlow/Murdoch or
Rohan and 66 gor 52 or 55 or 56
and Geelong dont bid on Blakely

Vandenburg for next years 2nd or 3rd round and Melb dont bid on Blakely after they get 2 top ten picks for Hogan from Freo

Hanners for next year 2nd round and a player and Saints dont bid on Blakely

Being a reasonable trade partner we save on a Blakely bid

Pick 1 Carlton safe
Pick 2 GC King
Pick 3 Compo GC King
Pick 4 Saints Safe
Pick 5 Melb safe
Pick 6 Melb Safe
Pick 7 WB not safe
Pick 8 Adelaide (local)
Pick 9 EssGws Shiel Not Safe
Pick 10 Port Local
Pick 11 North Safe
Pick 12 Geelong Safe
Pick 13 Sydney
Bid comes after 13

So trading smart could theoretically net us Pick 13 plus Blakely

Wouldn't that be draft tampering?