2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[troyjones2525]

And McCartin, if Moore is supposed to be playing forward. And Sinclair if Naismith is rucking. Or if Moore is being developed as a defender; Aliir, Melican, Grundy and Maibaum.

In my opinion Moore is a lot better than all of those players and even more valuable than Grundy considering he was in and out this year and only has one year left. We will have no problem fitting him into our side, whoever has to miss out because of it.

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[dejavoodoo44]

In my opinion Moore is a lot better than all of those players and even more valuable than Grundy considering he was in and out this year and only has one year left. We will have no problem fitting him into our side, whoever has to miss out because of it.

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I would rate McCartin, as one of the most promising key position prospects that I've ever seen. From what I've seen of Moore, I wouldn't apply the same rating. And on demonstrated form, I think that Sam Reid is ahead of him.
And I don’t really think that we should help Collingwood, if they're trying to further plunder Suns, by poaching May.

[stevoswan]

Seriously what have we got to lose? Yes Tippett didn't work out in the end but it was the right deal at the time and could have been a masterstroke! This is the same although Moore is much younger so has plenty of football ahead of him.

Trading a first round pick that we wont even get to use anyway as we will get an earlier bid before it comes up on Blakey is worth a punt in my opinion. I just see the huge upside that he has and believe that he would look so much better in Red and White than Black and White!

If you want a probable then here's one. It is probable that he will not just become a very good player but likely be an absolute star of the competition. We can't pass up an opportunity to land a player of that ability, even with the risk involved as the pro's outweigh the cons.

We have mostly been a very conservative club going after the others that have been mentioned earlier like Dureya, Van denberg and Clarke. Most of those clubs supporters couldn't probably give a rats if they moved on and yes they may add some value, probably will, to us. But I can tell you now that if Collingwood lose Darcy Moore and he lines up ready to go in round 1 for us next year, Collingwood supporters will be bleeding that they let a player of his quality move on...

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Fair points and I'm happy to be proven wrong.....

[KSAS]

In my opinion Moore is a lot better than all of those players and even more valuable than Grundy considering he was in and out this year and only has one year left. We will have no problem fitting him into our side, whoever has to miss out because of it.

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I would be concerned if McCartin and/or Allir misses out getting games, as I still think midfield is our no. 1 priority. However if we do end up getting Moore (assuming he remains injury free), it will put added pressure on Reid who the club might look upon the same as Hanners if he doesn't get on the park & perform.

[troyjones2525]

I would rate McCartin, as one of the most promising key position prospects that I've ever seen. From what I've seen of Moore, I wouldn't apply the same rating. And on demonstrated form, I think that Sam Reid is ahead of him.
And I don’t really think that we should help Collingwood, if they're trying to further plunder Suns, by poaching May.

I also rate McCartin who did extremely well as a key forward considering his youth. He needs aA LOT of work on his kicking though, especially his set shots at goal. I would definitely rate Moore even higher than him though. Yes he's a few years older but Moore is a lot more athletic, faster and a fair bit taller. Both are good marks and Moore also needs a bit work with his goal kicking.

Would love to have them both as bookends for the next 10 years though!

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[caj23]

I would rate McCartin, as one of the most promising key position prospects that I've ever seen. From what I've seen of Moore, I wouldn't apply the same rating. And on demonstrated form, I think that Sam Reid is ahead of him.
And I don’t really think that we should help Collingwood, if they're trying to further plunder Suns, by poaching May.

I think you need to take your red and white glasses off

If you gave the 16 other clubs a choice between Moore and McCartin, 100% would take Moore on performance to date and potential

I'd suggest a fair % of them would take him ahead of Reid on potential output

He kicked 5 goals in his 3rd game, and 61 goals from his 54 games to date, a number of those were played in the backline.

Tom kicked 8 goals from his 15 games this year, no criticism of Tom, but he was played in the seniors by necessity rather than performance and I wouldn't be surprised to see him spending a fair bit of time in the NEAFL next year

[dejavoodoo44]

I think you need to take your red and white glasses off

If you gave the 16 other clubs a choice between Moore and McCartin, 100% would take Moore on performance to date and potential

I'd suggest a fair % of them would take him ahead of Reid on potential output

He kicked 5 goals in his 3rd game, and 61 goals from his 54 games to date, a number of those were played in the backline.

Tom kicked 8 goals from his 15 games this year, no criticism of Tom, but he was played in the seniors by necessity rather than performance and I wouldn't be surprised to see him spending a fair bit of time in the NEAFL next year

I'm not sure if you really have access to, what is being thought by the management of all the other clubs. But I very much doubt if there would be 100% agreement, on the relative merits of Moore and McCartin. What I saw of Moore this year, didn't impress me much. Did a few good things when the ball came his way, but didn’t get near it too often. Nor did it seem to hugely impress the Collingwood selectors, as he was apparently fit for the finals, but couldn't find a spot.
On the other hand, McCartin was hugely impressive as the youngest player in the competition, who will obviously be better with another pre-season and natural growth. And McCartin impresses in a way that is not really shown in the stats. It's more in his footy smarts. He has excellent positional sense and decision making. With his decision making probably best being seen, with all the lovely little taps to advantage that he does, which almost always benefit his team mates. And that will only improve.
So, essentially, I think that Moore may have plateaued, while McCartin is still on a steep upward trend.

[Aprilbr]

I've been listening a lot to Trade Radio today. Plenty of Swans related discussions. Some takeaways from that show

Number 12 is too much to give up for Moore
Swans most likely can get Blakey in using a combination of later picks
The trade of Newman for that young guy from Nth Melb is on
Harley was not as definitive about wanting Moore as I expected.


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[Aprilbr]

I might add that the list experts see our list as very much in transition with 6 players aged 30 or more and deficient in the mid 20s. Midfield depth and lack of forward support seen as a big worry.

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[caj23]

I'm not sure if you really have access to, what is being thought by the management of all the other clubs. But I very much doubt if there would be 100% agreement, on the relative merits of Moore and McCartin. What I saw of Moore this year, didn't impress me much. Did a few good things when the ball came his way, but didn’t get near it too often. Nor did it seem to hugely impress the Collingwood selectors, as he was apparently fit for the finals, but couldn't find a spot.
On the other hand, McCartin was hugely impressive as the youngest player in the competition, who will obviously be better with another pre-season and natural growth. And McCartin impresses in a way that is not really shown in the stats. It's more in his footy smarts. He has excellent positional sense and decision making. With his decision making probably best being seen, with all the lovely little taps to advantage that he does, which almost always benefit his team mates. And that will only improve.
So, essentially, I think that Moore may have plateaued, while McCartin is still on a steep upward trend.

I agree that McCartin has a lot of potential but you clearly haven't seen much of Moore. Its like suggesting that Will Hayward is a better player than Jordan De Goey. Moore has performed at a higher level than McCartin in every aspect of the game.

I'm not sure how you can predict that Moore has plateaued when he's had such an injury interrupted season, or that we've seen enough of McCartin to suggest that he is going to rapidly improve in 2019. McCartin was gifted a number of games this year as we simply didn't have anyone else available to play tall forward.

[Markwebbos]

I might add that the list experts see our list as very much in transition with 6 players aged 30 or more and deficient in the mid 20s. Midfield depth and lack of forward support seen as a big worry.

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+1 Forward line extremely young outside of Buddy. Midfield very thin with departure of Hanners, Mitchell, Jack. But hopefully move of Jones and others into midfield will help to some extent.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Hey markw

Yep in the link I popped downs few pages ago

“Gone beyond prelim discussions” re Moore

No further comment until Thursday at the earliest he said

[Auntie.Gerald]

Re Moore

We need him

I think we need the flexibility in the squad given we lost Tippo and Naismith long road to recovery

Moore can play 50/50 upfront or ruck but can also play lay in defence as he is very quick for his height

My opinion re Tom Mcartin is that he may become a serious top5 key defender

Grundy made the change and killed it

Fast
Tall
Agile
Great leap
Great mark

Unfortunately he has not shown an ability to kick at goal Very well at all

Literally goes jelly legged

But he could be an Alex Rance defender in the near future which could be just as valuable if not more so then a good lead forward who can’t kick goals at a high %

It’s early to judge but he really does struggle kicking straight let alone smoothly at goal

[S.S. Bleeder]

Re Moore

We need him


My opinion re Tom Mcartin is that he may become a serious top5 key defender

Fast
Tall
Agile
Great leap
Great mark

Unfortunately he has not shown an ability to kick at goal Very well at all

Literally goes jelly legged

But he could be an Alex Rance defender in the near future which could be just as valuable if not more so then a good lead forward who can’t kick goals at a high %

It’s early to judge but he really does struggle kicking straight let alone smoothly at goal

I'm with you on that AG. I remember reading his bio pre-draft and his kicking for goal was an issue then. All other aspects of his game are excellent.

[dejavoodoo44]

I agree that McCartin has a lot of potential but you clearly haven't seen much of Moore. Its like suggesting that Will Hayward is a better player than Jordan De Goey. Moore has performed at a higher level than McCartin in every aspect of the game.

I'm not sure how you can predict that Moore has plateaued when he's had such an injury interrupted season, or that we've seen enough of McCartin to suggest that he is going to rapidly improve in 2019. McCartin was gifted a number of games this year as we simply didn't have anyone else available to play tall forward.

I can predict that McCartin will improve next year and the year after, because historically, that's what young key position players do. That is, when there bodies mature and they gain pace and more importantly, strength, they are better able to combat the older players who are usually playing against them.
And from what I've seen of McCartin, he possesses one attribute that can separate the elite from the very good. Which is that top players see and process the game, just that little bit faster than those around them. McCartin's decision making and positioning, suggests that he has that.