2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[royboy42]

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Very very curious that trade.

Their are two possibilities:
1, We are REALLY in trouble Salary Cap wise
2, Something big is afoot tradewise

How can we be in trouble with the Salary Cap when Hawthorn are looking to bring in Wingard and Scully - how the hell do they have cap room with O'Meara and Mitchell?

I agree.
Also, I regard Hanner's career as over after the '16 Grand Final injury.
With the greatest respect to a once great player, he hardly had a seriously good game from then on.
Handballs and kicks astray or falling short, nil pace and not keeping up with the game.
Good luck to Saints and to Hanners.
I feel ANYTHING we got was a win.

[barry]

A Venn diagram featuring posters who have spent the last two years calling for Hanners’ head alongside those now saying the Swans have been ripped off would be interesting...

Here:



100% match!

[moocher]

So what’s likely to happen to Nick Newman now Norths appear to have lost interest?

[Kumarangk]

It may not be a popular opinion, but I don't think Hanneberry is worth more than the Swans got. He is an OLD 27. 2017 appeared to be an "off year" but 2018 was even worse. Part of being a winning organization is knowing when to let go. I don't know if he has more than two years left in him, frankly, and there were too many nights last season where he was the worst Swans player on the field. And unlike McVeigh, he didn't seem to have too many leadership qualities. Like screaming at Aliir Aliir only to turn the ball over, again, by kicking directly to the opponents. Be honest, did we not all hold our breath close to every time he touched the footy? Saving the $$$ is the big win for the Swans...truly "addition by subtraction."

Tend to agree with this. The club obviously intimately involved and witnessed his demise very close up. In saying that it is all out the window if he has a cracker season next year !

[Blue Sun]

Langdon frees up mills and jones and they go to a whole new level full time in the midfield and jones stays on because he is happy as a mid now

Jones has got a long way to go, his disposals often result in turnovers. I'm not sure giving him more midfield time will benefit us, at least in the short term.

[liz]

Jones has got a long way to go, his disposals often result in turnovers. I'm not sure giving him more midfield time will benefit us, at least in the short term.

Jones isn't a perfect footballer but he takes the game on. People on here seem to be screaming out for someone to provide hard-running and take risks coming out of defence, which is exactly what Jones provides. That some of his disposals result in turnovers has as much, IMO, to do with a lack of experience and confidence (and hence movement to the correct places) of the players further up the ground who should be on the end of Jones' movements.

As I said, he's not perfect but it he were running the ball out with his pace and routinely hitting players lace out with his passes, he'd be an All-Australian type player.

[Ludwig]

I find the HPN analysis interesting and there certainly is a lot of merit in their system. It does produce some strange anomolies however, like Jake Lloyd being valued higher than Jeremy McGovern and Callum Sinclair being rated the league's 3rd best ruckman after Grundy and Gawn.

Stats are useful and something to hang your hat on, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

There was always a question about how Hanners should be valued, as well as how he was actually valued by the 2 clubs in the trade. Now we know that he wasn't valued very highly. The Saints took the part of an Insurance company by assuming the risk on Hannebery and we paid (very roughly speaking) around 1000 value points betting that Hanners wouldn't return to form by taking what appears about the net value lost from an in-form Hanners. The Saints assumed huge cost in signing Hanners for 5 years at roughly his current salary.

[Odysseus]

Analysis of the Hannebery trade. They conclude that his form the past 2 seasons was so poor, coupled with age, that the trade is fair.

Hannebery goes from Kings Cross to St Kilda – HPN

A very interesting piece. Thanks for the heads-up on this one.

I'm with those happy enough to see Dan leaving, and happy enough with the trade. We're not giving up a champion, but a player who was once a champion.

This morning Matthew Lloyd gave his list of the ten best players who had been champions at two different clubs. I doubt that, if such a list is compiled in five years time, Dan will be considered: a Swans champion, no doubt; but a Saints' champion? - most unlikely.

[caj23]

A Venn diagram featuring posters who have spent the last two years calling for Hanners’ head alongside those now saying the Swans have been ripped off would be interesting...

There's a difference between calling out a senior player for poor performance, and complaining about what is an extremely poor trade

We all knew we would get SFA for Hanners as it is a salary dump, but why exactly did we need to throw pick 28 in as well?

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So what’s likely to happen to Nick Newman now Norths appear to have lost interest?

Will be astounded if he isn't simply delisted

[Ludwig]

The trade period highlight so far has been not trading for Darcy Moore. It's going to be hard to top that.

According the HPN draft pick value rating we gained the equivalent of a pick 18 in the swap for our pick 13. So that was a big win for us on both the HPN and the AFL value ratings.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Maybe 28 goes to another club where we receive a traded player ?

[Foreign Legion]

Jeez I wouldn't just delist Newman - he is a fair player - not great - but excellent depth. He wouldnt be on much money either. Is he under contract does anyone know?

I think we have - on the face of it - got a bad deal for Hannebery, BUT, the Saints have taken a big risk giving him a 5 year contract IMHO.

[MightyBloods]

I find the HPN analysis interesting and there certainly is a lot of merit in their system. It does produce some strange anomolies however, like Jake Lloyd being valued higher than Jeremy McGovern and Callum Sinclair being rated the league's 3rd best ruckman after Grundy and Gawn.

Stats are useful and something to hang your hat on, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

There was always a question about how Hanners should be valued, as well as how he was actually valued by the 2 clubs in the trade. Now we know that he wasn't valued very highly. The Saints took the part of an Insurance company by assuming the risk on Hannebery and we paid (very roughly speaking) around 1000 value points betting that Hanners wouldn't return to form by taking what appears abo. The Saints assumed huge cost in signing Hanners for 5 years at roughly his current salary.

Totally agree with the Saints taking on the risk with a 5 year contract at what I think is inflated money. Why wouldn't Hanners jump at the chance knowing that his football mortality is nearing? And I trust the Swans medical people as the trade tells me that they believe he's a risk injury/fitness wise and certainly not worth the money that he was on. If I was a Saints supporter, I wouldn't be too encouraged by their club saying that their medical people are confident of changing Hanner's posture to limit his groin problems. Changing his posture at age 28? Good luck with that.

Now my view is also further validated that I believe that the Swans are freeing up cap for next year, not this year to land a player or two of headline status (From either both free agency and trade). Also, I'd be confident that the Swans in their discussions with clubs are talking about the Nick Blakey pick (i.e. I'd be surprised that part of the Hanners deal was for the Saints to commit that they won't bid on him and possibly this could also include Adelaide and Carlton with our involvement in their deal). I'd expect that the Swans may also have a commitment from the Suns via Dew that they won't bid. It will also be interesting to see if something comes back our way from the Hanners trade over the coming trade period by way of a cheap Saints player. Who knows? I've always enjoyed mystery thrillers.

[lwjoyner]

we get screwed again. Happens all the time the swans must be almost the worst group when dealing with trades, maybe we should have gone for dogoro (I know its spelt wrong but the
Essendon guy) or perhaps the Hawks guy or get Pelchen in to teach our traders. To trade hanners for vitually nought is scandalous Blakely would want to be a champion. I am tempted to give up my membership (currently over 50 years) I am disgusted with this. I guess we want get Langdon which makes it worse. The Swans need to be advised of the outrage from most supporters. Piock 30 was bad enough but to give up Hanners and pick 28 is outrageous.

[Cainit]

Forgot about Florent