2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[707]

Given the massive focus on the three SA players, I doubt we'll see a Blakey bid before 7 or 8 and it may not come until a couple of picks later which would be nice, 26 & 33 shouldn't get pushed out because Blakey will be the first matching bid cab off the rank.

Think all our "live" picks will slip a bit with clubs paying for earlier selections with a bunch of picks in the 40s & 50s. North and Pies will both create two extra picks below our block of three consecutive picks with matching Thomas, Quaynor, Scott & Kelly all predicted from mid teens to 30s. My guess on this really fluid situation is that our three "new player" picks will drift out to actually be 41, 42, 43. We have previous form with those picks!

[AB Swannie]

We don't get to pick and choose which picks are used for Blakey. If 26 isn't sufficient, 33 will be used next, with a later pick added to our haul if there are left-over points from pick 33. We don't get to use 26 and 40 and to keep pick 33.

I feel like this rule has been explained at least 50 times. Perhaps this should be a sticky. Thank you Liz for continuing to repeat it with such patience.

[R-1]

Collingwood now has picks 41, 44, 57, 59, 60 and 93. It would seem they are planning on drafting three players, Quaynor, Kelly and one more. By swapping the picks it means that the third player will be taken with pick 60 rather than 93. They must be confident that 41, 44, 57 and 59 will be enough for Quaynor and Kelly. Even if not then 60 will likely slide to somewhere still above 93. With trading right up until a pick is called who knows what more swapping may take place.

They're likely to elevate Mihocek and Phillips, only draft their two bid targets, and take 38 or 39 senior players into next year (they had 39 this year) I reckon.

I suspect they also traded away their 2019 first round pick partly so any surplus points can't be deducted from it if one of the guys is bid on early.

[Mark26]

From the latest afl.com article:

Unsigned: Jack Maibaum

Robbie Fox, James Rose and Toby Pink have all re-signed for one season each, with the former upgraded to the primary list, leaving Jack Maibaum as the only Swan without a deal. Dan Robinson and Harry Marsh's time at the Swans ended with their delistings on Wednesday. Their exits brought to seven the club's number of delistings, on top of retired forward Kurt Tippett officially coming off the list and Dan Hannebery, Gary Rohan and Nic Newman being traded.

[mcs]

From the latest afl.com article:

Unsigned: Jack Maibaum

Robbie Fox, James Rose and Toby Pink have all re-signed for one season each, with the former upgraded to the primary list, leaving Jack Maibaum as the only Swan without a deal. Dan Robinson and Harry Marsh's time at the Swans ended with their delistings on Wednesday. Their exits brought to seven the club's number of delistings, on top of retired forward Kurt Tippett officially coming off the list and Dan Hannebery, Gary Rohan and Nic Newman being traded.

I look forward to seeing what it is exactly that the club sees in Pink that has been absent in my observations of him (when he has made it on the park). Being a KPP he deserves the benefit of the doubt, but he has looked a long way from being even near AFL ready in the matches I've seen.

I would of thought Maibaum would be worth one more season at least - seemed to develop well again this year.

[R-1]

It's possible that Maibaum is insurance if there's an unexpectedly early Blakey bid (like pick 5 or earlier) and we only get two further viable picks in the National Draft.

If this is the case, then if Blakey goes late enough (pick 6 or later) that we get the 3 extra late 30s picks, we may see him delisted between day 1 and day 2 of the draft. Whereas, if we only get the 2 later picks (ie, Blakey plus 2), we may then re-sign him to the senior list.

edit: That's if we can carry an unsigned player on our list to the draft. Not 100% sure on that.

[Ralph Dawg]

It's possible that Maibaum is insurance if there's an unexpectedly early Blakey bid (like pick 5 or earlier) and we only get two further viable picks in the National Draft.

If this is the case, then if Blakey goes late enough (pick 6 or later) that we get the 3 extra late 30s picks, we may see him delisted between day 1 and day 2 of the draft. Whereas, if we only get the 2 later picks (ie, Blakey plus 2), we may then re-sign him to the senior list.

edit: That's if we can carry an unsigned player on our list to the draft. Not 100% sure on that.

Must be a terrible time for a player like Maibaum. In the games I've seen him play, he looks good. Composed and good with his disposals. I'm really surprised he hasn't had a run in the firsts as of yet.
Can anyone enlighten me on how many players we will have to take come draft? It seems like we have had a big clean out without drafting too many existing players from other clubs (on my count its ?11 out, 2 in)

[liz]

Must be a terrible time for a player like Maibaum. In the games I've seen him play, he looks good. Composed and good with his disposals. I'm really surprised he hasn't had a run in the firsts as of yet.
Can anyone enlighten me on how many players we will have to take come draft? It seems like we have had a big clean out without drafting too many existing players from other clubs (on my count its ?11 out, 2 in)

If you look back a couple of pages, I think we collectively came to the position (after I stumbled) that we had room on the senior list to
-draft Blakey
- draft three more players in the ND (which is what Beatson has indicated the club plans to do)
- upgrade Ronke
- either take a DFA OR upgrade Fox

Now we know that Fox has been upgraded.

There are technically another couple of senior spots that could be used if the club chooses to expand its list to 40. But it has run with 38 for many years now so that seems reasonably unlikely.

In terms of available spots on the rookie list, we can carry 4-6 Cat A rookies (6 if we have 38 on the senior list; 4 if we have 40 on the senior list) and up to 3 Cat B rookies.

Bell was a Cat B rookie last year. I have no idea if he is allowed to remain as a Cat B rookie (and if he is, whether that's what the club has elected to do). Pink and Amartey occupy two other spots.

[liz]

edit: That's if we can carry an unsigned player on our list to the draft. Not 100% sure on that.

I think technically you can, though only with the player's co-operation. And if a player hasn't signed a contract by 31 October, I'm not sure why they'd agree to stay on the list hoping for one.

There are a few possible scenarios:
- Maibaum has been offered a new contract but isn't enthused by it. Maybe it's just for one year and he was hoping for two, say. His manager could be still seeing if he can find a better deal at another club. This doesn't seem particularly likely for a player who wasn't originally a high profile draftee and hasn't yet played a senior game. You'd think they'd jump at the offer of just one more year on a list.
- Maibaum has already rejected the club's new contract offer and is waiting until 31 October when his contract expires to delist himself. He would then be allowed to enter the draft.
- The club is still sniffing around other potential free agents, maybe including someone not yet delisted by their club. There are quite a lot of players not yet either recontracted or delisted with just two days to go before the deadline. It could be that Maibaum's spot on the list is contingent on the club not signing a particular free agent.

Others can probably add further possible scenarios. The club has generally treated departing / fringe players pretty well so it's hard to believe they're still making up their mind whether or not they want him on the list next year.

[R-1]

Contract deadline is Wednesday so we'll have to sign or delist him by then.

There's a DFA period of one hour before the rookie draft, so that's how you'd do what I described. You'd ask Maibaum not to enter the national draft, then guarantee either a DFA or rookie spot depending on how the national draft goes.

[Molly dooker]

Just seen - Jordan Foote running fast laps around Pioneer park, Malabar. He looked fit and focussed. Getting close to pre-season me thinks.

Must be tough on the fringes.

[liz]

Just seen - Jordan Foote running fast laps around Pioneer park, Malabar. He looked fit and focussed. Getting close to pre-season me thinks.

Must be tough on the fringes.

He was delisted a couple of weeks ago.

[caj23]

AFL site reporting that Townsend from Tigers and Sutcliffe from Dockers flew to Sydney last week to meet with the club

Menzel currently os

If we could swap Marsh and Robinson for Townsend and Menzel that would be a massive win

I don’t know much about Sutcliffe

[chalbilto]

Not keen on Menzel and don't know too much about Sutcliffe.

[Plugger46]

Not keen on any of them. Looks like Carlton's recruiting strategy to me.