2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[goswannies]

What the? On the radio I’m sure I just heard Corns say Lloyd to Carlton?!

[ugg]

That would be Brad Lloyd

[goswannies]

That would be Brad Lloyd

Whew! All I heard was Lloyd when I got in the car!

[Meg]

Lol, bit like the ‘Pyke to the Crows’ rumour several years ago.

Turned out to be true - just that many people had assumed the wrong Pyke!

[neilfws]

Lol, bit like the ‘Pyke to the Crows’ rumour several years ago.

The one that gets me every time is when I see someone has "resigned". I know that players don't resign as in quit the job but my brain always sees that initially, instead of "re-signed". Probably just me

[The Big Cat]

Liam Pickering said on SEN that St Kilda couldn't expect to get Hanners without offering their first pick as Hanners is contracted and St Kilda has absolutely zilch bargaining power. He also queried why Hannebery would leave to basically get the same money as he does now.

[Beerman]

It's amazing how often he has got it wrong with 1st round picks...Lewis Johnston, Josh Willoughby, Daniel O'Keefe etc...

The whole "Swans are hopeless with their first round picks" thing is a bit of a myth. We had one bad patch about 10 years ago, and have been at least ok before and after that. Here's our draft history for the last 11 years. Of all those players, only the ones you named are not still on an AFL list. You can argue Jetta, Rohan, Lamb & Towers are not "best-22" players, but they are not terrible (Jetta was instrumental in our 2012 flag). Also, a couple of those players like Towers & Lamb were right at the end of the first round. There's not much difference between first & second round at that point.

It's always a bit of a lottery and I don't think we've done too badly.

2017- pick 14 - Mathew Ling - too early to tell
2016 - pick 11 - Oliver Florent - good
2016 - pick 21 - Will Hayward - ok so far
2015 - pick 3 - Callum Mills - good
2014 - pick "18" - Isaac Heeney - good
2013 - pick 15 - Zak Jones - ok so far
2012 - pick 22 - Dean Towers - so-so
2011 - pick 21 - Tom Mitchell - good
2010 - pick 20 - Jed Lamb - not so great
2009 - pick 6 - Gary Rohan - so-so
2009 - pick 14 - Lewis Jetta - so-so
2008 - pick 12 - Lewis Johnstone - not so great
2007 - pick 11 - Patrick Veszpremi - not so great
2007 - pick 15 - Daniel O'Keefe - not so great

[liz]

U18: Swans set for 'Buddy 2.0' - AFL.com.au

Here's a short video interview with Blakey, talking about his decision to pick the Swans over the two father son options. It's a bit light on for playing snippets of young Blakey - there are more included of Blakey senior playing (and even some Buddy thrown in for good measure).

[ernie koala]

The whole "Swans are hopeless with their first round picks" thing is a bit of a myth. We had one bad patch about 10 years ago, and have been at least ok before and after that. Here's our draft history for the last 11 years. Of all those players, only the ones you named are not still on an AFL list. You can argue Jetta, Rohan, Lamb & Towers are not "best-22" players, but they are not terrible (Jetta was instrumental in our 2012 flag). Also, a couple of those players like Towers & Lamb were right at the end of the first round. There's not much difference between first & second round at that point.

It's always a bit of a lottery and I don't think we've done too badly.

2017- pick 14 - Mathew Ling - too early to tell
2016 - pick 11 - Oliver Florent - good
2016 - pick 21 - Will Hayward - ok so far
2015 - pick 3 - Callum Mills - good
2014 - pick "18" - Isaac Heeney - good
2013 - pick 15 - Zak Jones - ok so far
2012 - pick 22 - Dean Towers - so-so
2011 - pick 21 - Tom Mitchell - good
2010 - pick 20 - Jed Lamb - not so great
2009 - pick 6 - Gary Rohan - so-so
2009 - pick 14 - Lewis Jetta - so-so
2008 - pick 12 - Lewis Johnstone - not so great
2007 - pick 11 - Patrick Veszpremi - not so great
2007 - pick 15 - Daniel O'Keefe - not so great

The list shows we haven't done very well apart from, Mitchell, Heeney and Mills...All of whom were considered top 5 picks and were drafted at a big discount...they were no brainers.

Take them out and the list of 1st rounders picked and the list looks ordinary... Though a few recent picks, Florent particularly, look promising.

[Markwebbos]

Mitchell, Heeney and Mills...All of whom were considered top 5 picks and were drafted at a big discount...were no brainers.

Take them out and the list of 1st rounders picked looks ordinary, apart from a couple of recent picks.

It would be interesting to see who we didn't pick each year

[707]

The whole "Swans are hopeless with their first round picks" thing is a bit of a myth. We had one bad patch about 10 years ago, and have been at least ok before and after that. Here's our draft history for the last 11 years. Of all those players, only the ones you named are not still on an AFL list. You can argue Jetta, Rohan, Lamb & Towers are not "best-22" players, but they are not terrible (Jetta was instrumental in our 2012 flag). Also, a couple of those players like Towers & Lamb were right at the end of the first round. There's not much difference between first & second round at that point.

It's always a bit of a lottery and I don't think we've done too badly.

2017- pick 14 - Mathew Ling - too early to tell
2016 - pick 11 - Oliver Florent - good
2016 - pick 21 - Will Hayward - ok so far
2015 - pick 3 - Callum Mills - good
2014 - pick "18" - Isaac Heeney - good
2013 - pick 15 - Zak Jones - ok so far
2012 - pick 22 - Dean Towers - so-so
2011 - pick 21 - Tom Mitchell - good
2010 - pick 20 - Jed Lamb - not so great
2009 - pick 6 - Gary Rohan - so-so
2009 - pick 14 - Lewis Jetta - so-so
2008 - pick 12 - Lewis Johnstone - not so great
2007 - pick 11 - Patrick Veszpremi - not so great
2007 - pick 15 - Daniel O'Keefe - not so great

Most of these picks are out of the certainty zone of the pointy end and there's a lot more science goes into picks now than there was just a decade ago. Rohan & Jetta were picks for speed - tick. Johnstone took the most contested marks at the U18 championships, he had application issues. Jed Lamb was pick 20 after a dozen kids had been taken out of the draft by GC 17yo concessions.

If you look at almost any club they've probably got a lot of first round misses, Geelong certainly have even with lauded drafter Wells at the helm, think Lang, Smedts, and another who escapes me were in consecutive drafts.

[Markwebbos]

Lots of news at the Hun today:

Category: | Herald Sun

“HEATH Grundy will return to football from a break for mental health issues this weekend and is keen to play on into 2019...”

“Grundy’s manager Phil Mullen said today he and Jarrad McVeigh remained keen to play on next year, with Alex Johnson’s latest cruel injury setback potentially helping Grundy’s cause.”

“The Swans’ remain confident of re-signing brilliant halfback Jake Lloyd, with their position strengthened by Gold Coast’s waning interest in a player who finished second in last year’s Swans best-and-fairest award.”

“Gold Coast has persistently been linked to Lloyd, but the Suns told Sydney recruiting and list boss Kinnear Beatson recently they had not offered Lloyd a contract and were unlikely to do so.”

“They are keen to secure established players but felt it was unlikely Lloyd would move, with Sydney football boss Tom Harley telling the Herald Sun recently the club was confident it would resign the 24-year-old.”

[YvonneH]

Lots of news at the Hun today:

Category: | Herald Sun

“HEATH Grundy will return to football from a break for mental health issues this weekend and is keen to play on into 2019...”

“Grundy’s manager Phil Mullen said today he and Jarrad McVeigh remained keen to play on next year, with Alex Johnson’s latest cruel injury setback potentially helping Grundy’s cause.”

“The Swans’ remain confident of re-signing brilliant halfback Jake Lloyd, with their position strengthened by Gold Coast’s waning interest in a player who finished second in last year’s Swans best-and-fairest award.”

“Gold Coast has persistently been linked to Lloyd, but the Suns told Sydney recruiting and list boss Kinnear Beatson recently they had not offered Lloyd a contract and were unlikely to do so.”

“They are keen to secure established players but felt it was unlikely Lloyd would move, with Sydney football boss Tom Harley telling the Herald Sun recently the club was confident it would resign the 24-year-old.”

Great news on both fronts.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Good news. All we need now is for the Saints to maintain their interest in Hanners and we'll pick up two guns in the draft to ensure our evolution.

[Hotpotato]

U18: Swans set for 'Buddy 2.0' - AFL.com.au

Here's a short video interview with Blakey, talking about his decision to pick the Swans over the two father son options. It's a bit light on for playing snippets of young Blakey - there are more included of Blakey senior playing (and even some Buddy thrown in for good measure).

I saw that, what a well rounded person . Said his Dad wasn’t too bad .
Lot to like that’s for sure.