2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[stevoswan]

we get screwed again. Happens all the time the swans must be almost the worst group when dealing with trades, maybe we should have gone for dogoro (I know its spelt wrong but the
Essendon guy) or perhaps the Hawks guy or get Pelchen in to teach our traders. To trade hanners for vitually nought is scandalous Blakely would want to be a champion. I am tempted to give up my membership (currently over 50 years) I am disgusted with this. I guess we want get Langdon which makes it worse. The Swans need to be advised of the outrage from most supporters. Piock 30 was bad enough but to give up Hanners and pick 28 is outrageous.

Take a BEX and have some faith.....

Forgot about Florent

You welcome to.....the club and most of the fans will not. He is a gun.....

[ernie koala]

Now that Hogan is staying at the Demons, they won't be chasing Stephen May (so they said anyway).

Which means the Wobbles are a top chance to secure May if he decides to move...You'd think

Which in turn means Langdon will be more expendable to the Wobbles...You'd think.

Which in turn enhances our chance of securing Langdon....You'd think.

I'm searching for some positives out of today, and this is the best I can come up with.

[stevoswan]

I'm sure most of the senior Swans are reading this thread with tears in their eyes.

Actually, I think they'd be having a bit of a giggle at some of the 'experts' on here and the amount of 'outrage' on display .....or did you actually mean 'tears' of laughter?

[stevoswan]

Mate you've been spruiking our depth and up and coming midfield for a while. Why the sudden change in heart.

Yeah, that post and pic had me asking the same question.....

From reading the comments and thinking about the Hanners' trade, I believe that football people will focus on it heavily over the coming few years. Essentially it's a salary dump trade given the Swans got so little in return, so history will see it one of 3 ways depending on what transpires from now.

One, if he returns to his form of 2016 and before then it will be seen as a huge win for the Saints. Perhaps one of the most one-sided trades in recent history. Second, if he continues to struggle, then a brilliant trade by the Swans to ruthlessly recognize his decline and unload a player being paid elite salary to deliver mediocre performance. Third, he performs to average levels (no star but a reasonable contributor). Then considered a mutually beneficial trade maybe slightly in the Saints favour. Whatever the outcome it will be watched closely by the AFL community!

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......and do we as Swans give a flying **** what the AFL 'footy world' thinks? I know I don't.....

[R-1]

Something that I just thought about, Ryan Clarke apparently has great running power (like Hanners), can win his own ball (like Hanners), is cheap (unlike Hanners) and is fit and healthy (also unlike Hanners). Perhaps this is more a Clarke for Hanners trade than a Clarke for Rohan trade.

I think this is clearly the case, and we won't misuse him as a halfback like North did.

[stevoswan]

Now that Hogan is staying at the Demons, they won't be chasing Stephen May (so they said anyway).

Which means the Wobbles are a top chance to secure May if he decides to move...You'd think

Which in turn means Langdon will be more expendable to the Wobbles...You'd think.

Which in turn enhances our chance of securing Langdon....You'd think.

I'm searching for some positives out of today, and this is the best I can come up with.

Well, it beats the negative bleating that dominates this thread at the moment......

[Muttley]

I think we are now in the position we can only just scrape together the picks/points for Blakey and Langdon.
Touch and go. Unless the Pis are willing to take Saints 2019 2nd rounder for Langdon - probably pick 20-25.
In that case we can get Langdon, Blakey and another good kid in the 2nd round.

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Now that Hogan is staying at the Demons, they won't be chasing Stephen May (so they said anyway).

Which means the Wobbles are a top chance to secure May if he decides to move...You'd think

Which in turn means Langdon will be more expendable to the Wobbles...You'd think.

Which in turn enhances our chance of securing Langdon....You'd think.

I'm searching for some positives out of today, and this is the best I can come up with.

Would 18 + 26 get May? Equivalent of a pick 6-7. Seems fair to me.
Let GC decide if they would prefer 26 now or Saints 2019 2nd rounder.

[KSAS]

Now that Hogan is staying at the Demons, they won't be chasing Stephen May (so they said anyway).

Which means the Wobbles are a top chance to secure May if he decides to move...You'd think

Which in turn means Langdon will be more expendable to the Wobbles...You'd think.

Which in turn enhances our chance of securing Langdon....You'd think.

I'm searching for some positives out of today, and this is the best I can come up with.

Hoping we somehow manage to get Langdon with our pick 40 to help ease the loss of our pick 28 with Hannebery, but doubt it. Still don't know if Langdon wants to leave Pies anyhow.

[giant]

I find the HPN analysis interesting and there certainly is a lot of merit in their system. It does produce some strange anomolies however, like Jake Lloyd being valued higher than Jeremy McGovern and Callum Sinclair being rated the league's 3rd best ruckman after Grundy and Gawn.

Stats are useful and something to hang your hat on, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

There was always a question about how Hanners should be valued, as well as how he was actually valued by the 2 clubs in the trade. Now we know that he wasn't valued very highly. The Saints took the part of an Insurance company by assuming the risk on Hannebery and we paid (very roughly speaking) around 1000 value points betting that Hanners wouldn't return to form by taking what appears about the net value lost from an in-form Hanners. The Saints assumed huge cost in signing Hanners for 5 years at roughly his current salary.

Wouldn't shock me if Dan got back to his old fitness levels. The aspect that had totally dropped off for me was his disposal - never an elite ball user, it got to the point where you'd look away when he had the ball, often when he was under little pressure. It's tough to see how that is going to change.

Nevertheless, the Saints have got someone who has bled for his team every time he's pulled a jumper on - he'll always be a beloved Swans warrior in my mind.

[giant]

Don't be a Harley apologist now.

Hanners ? Jack? Towers?

Wonderful wonderful hindsight.

[Blood Fever]

Hoping we somehow manage to get Langdon with our pick 40 to help ease the loss of our pick 28 with Hannebery, but doubt it. Still don't know if Langdon wants to leave Pies anyhow.

Not the end of the world if nothing more happens. What we need is more luck with injuries and natural improvement from our young players. Also, the rookie Draft, where we have been absolute masters of, is still to come- Lloyd, Smith, Grundy, Rampe, Ronke, Papley, Jack, and that's just off the top of my head.

[KSAS]

I think we are now in the position we can only just scrape together the picks/points for Blakey and Langdon.
Touch and go. Unless the Pis are willing to take Saints 2019 2nd rounder for Langdon - probably pick 20-25.
In that case we can get Langdon, Blakey and another good kid in the 2nd round.

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Would 18 + 26 get May? Equivalent of a pick 6-7. Seems fair to me.
Let GC decide if they would prefer 26 now or Saints 2019 2nd rounder.

That does sound fair, but wouldn't surprise me if GC demand more like pick 18 & their 2019 1st round. I'm clinging to the hope we could land Langdon for one of our later picks (38 or 40) if Pies need to offload him in order to fit May into their salary cap. May hasn't also yet officially requested to be traded.

[0918330512]

I’m calling it now. After our mostly dud trades so far & so much productive activity at nearly every other club, I reckon we have a BIG fish hidden away until other clubs are too committed with lists & finances to stop us. I’ll be clinging to this until 830pm Wednesday

[KSAS]

I’m calling it now. After our mostly dud trades so far & so much productive activity at nearly every other club, I reckon we have a BIG fish hidden away until other clubs are too committed with lists & finances to stop us. I’ll be clinging to this until 830pm Wednesday

Jackson McRae? There was a unreliable twitter rumour we are chasing him.
But there's more chance St. Kilda will hand back our pick 28 than that happening!

Applaud your resolve though!

[Markwebbos]

I still think Libba, although I may be alone in this.