2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Auntie.Gerald]

Godard is setting up his former club to have supporters feeling like they failed

Failed if the trade goes thru as he states

Failed if they went to hard and it falls over and then JD move on in free agency for a negligible return

Goddard doesn’t know what a win win looks like if it hit him in the face at force 9

[Melbourne_Blood]

Agreed. St Kilda snubbing Freo by offloading their most attractive tradeable asset is pretty interesting. At this point how Freo look to have had their bluff called on an overly ambitious demand and look likely to end up won't end up worse off.

It shows the vulnerability of the club with the player who wants to leave.

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I don't know why you put yourself through it, man. The Age (daily podcast and online) is a fairly reasonable source.

But Freo dont have to trade Hill ! And it’s not like he is homesick and wants to go home . He IS home , he was traded their already at his request , and now he’s changed his mind ? Awww Poor Bradley , my heart bleeds. Suck it up princess , or enjoy the sunny Gold Coast ( actually is that even an option for a contracted player ? To walk to the PS draft ? )


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[MattW]

The only way I can see the saints pick swap working out for us is if the thinking is something like this : their pick 12 to us for Jones and our pick 25. Their pick 18 and their 2020 first round pick for Hill. It’s probably of similar if not better value for Freo , saints first rounder next year likely to be as good or probably fair bit better than pick 12. Freo get their two first rounders which is what they want albeit spilt over two drafts. We get adequate compensation for Jones ( well still probably dudded a little bit much better than pick 33 or whatever the talk is ). Hopefully the swans are pushing for something like this. If not Jones can look elsewhere, go to the draft , or re-sign .


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I would do that Jones deal. I wonder whether we offer the 9 and 12 we got for Papley and Jones for Daniher.

That is:
OUT: Jones, Papley, pick 25
IN: Daniher (keep pick 5)

Still overs in the circumstances, but an outcome where we keep pick 5 and get Daniher is obviously an objective.

[Markwebbos]

The GWS deal only makes sense if they intend to trade further up the order, or they don't want Green, or they are unfathomably confident Green won't be bid on before pick 6. I'm all in favour of us drafting a big New South Welsh mid if we get the chance! Interesting move. What happens next?

I agree with you BS, the deal implies that they don't want Green, or will pass on any bid before their pick 6. Having heard their recruiting manager on Road To The Draft (its an old podcast but I listened to it yesterday) say they didn't need Caldwell when they drafted him. That and seeing what's happening with Bonar, I can imagine they don't desperately need another inside mid and could have their eye on another player.

Either that or its a calculated risk based on the premise that:

GCS will take Rowell and Anderson
Melbourne won't take him as they are perceived to have a midfield full of one-paced inside midfielders and are looking for outside pace and class
Ditto Adelaide exactly the same issues.

Which leaves us next in line. They may be gambling we'll be forced to use pick 5 on Daniher, which is all the more reason why we should not offer it to Essendon and instead only give them the expected Papley pick 9 and a lower round sweetener. Although if we did give pick 5 to the Bombers there's a good chance they'd go for Green.

hmmmm interesting times.

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I would do that Jones deal. I wonder whether we offer the 9 and 12 we got for Papley and Jones for Daniher.

That is:
OUT: Jones, Papley, pick 25
IN: Daniher (keep pick 5)

Still overs in the circumstances, but an outcome where we keep pick 5 and get Daniher is obviously an objective.

Overs. We are effectively giving up pick 9, 25 and Jones for Daniher. How about pick 9 and 25 for Daniher. Way more than they'd get next year.

[Blood Fever]

Watching the trade game replay on 7 plus and that snake Goddard gives me the @@@@s! Continually talking up how Essendon must demand pick 5 & 9 for Daniher because of his "potential" yet when asked what's Papley is worth in isolation states possibly a late first round but more likey a second rounder...

Can't stand TV personalities that can't leave behind their bias due to their past playing days!
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Goddard was notorious for turning on his team mates and throwing in the towel. Turd.

[Sandridge]

Watching the trade game replay on 7 plus and that snake Goddard gives me the @@@@s! Continually talking up how Essendon must demand pick 5 & 9 for Daniher because of his "potential" yet when asked what's Papley is worth in isolation states possibly a late first round but more likey a second rounder...

Can't stand TV personalities that can't leave behind their bias due to their past playing days


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He might not like the Swans. It was his mistake that led to the last 25 seconds of this.

'It is unbelievable' | Swans v Bombers, 2017 | AAMI Classic Last Two Mins | AFL - YouTube

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Watching the trade game replay on 7 plus and that snake Goddard gives me the @@@@s! Continually talking up how Essendon must demand pick 5 & 9 for Daniher because of his "potential" yet when asked what's Papley is worth in isolation states possibly a late first round but more likey a second rounder...

Can't stand TV personalities that can't leave behind their bias due to their past playing days!

Save yourself the pain of watching all those shows, panels of brain dead ex players who all have wildly varying opinions of trades and player values. Some of the trades they suggest show how they don't understand the rules, idiots.

Papley is contracted, we only trade him if we get a good deal and pick 9 which will become pick 10 after Green is matched is fair, to suggest us sending something back is laughable because he is contracted.

Pick 9 & 25 for Daniher is the most we should agree to or walk away and bank a couple of potentially good midfielders, which we need, not KPF!

[Markwebbos]

Young Magpies midfielder inks new deal: Mitch Cleary

Collingwood midfielder Brayden Sier has signed a fresh contract extension, reports AFL.com.au’s Mitch Cleary.

Sier was without a contract for 2020 but the Magpies have moved to lock the 21-year-old away for the next two years.

[Markwebbos]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/saints-hold-their-nerve-on-hill-20191010-p52zjz.html

St Kilda remain confident they have the trade ammunition to complete a deal for Fremantle star Brad Hill, despite executing a pick swap with the Giants that has left the Dockers fuming. Sources close to the deal confirmed St Kilda provided the Dockers with several opportunities to close out the trade but the West Australian club stalled despite being provided with a deadline on Thursday to accept a trade that would see pick six and a future third-round pick head to Fremantle in exchange for Hill.

When the deadline expired, the Saints approached the Giants and made the pick trade, much to the Dockers' disappointment as they believed they had made it clear that pick six had to be part of any trade for Hill.

St Kilda will almost certainly attempt to package both Ryder and Howard into the deal for pick 18, but Port Adelaide are likely to want more...

The deal for [Josh] Bruce – if the Saints get their way and get a pick in the 20s – would likely see them hand that straight to Sydney for Jones.

[troyjones2525]

I would do that Jones deal. I wonder whether we offer the 9 and 12 we got for Papley and Jones for Daniher.

That is:
OUT: Jones, Papley, pick 25
IN: Daniher (keep pick 5)

Still overs in the circumstances, but an outcome where we keep pick 5 and get Daniher is obviously an objective.

That would be a pretty good result but I'd be shocked if we could pull it off!

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[Melbourne_Blood]

Freo should hold onto Hill now, the saints got cocky. Screwed the deal. And I would rather see Jones walk to the PS draft ( which he won’t do ) than to take a pick anywhere over 24. So maybe we say F you to the saints as well. Keep Jones , sign him for another year , he either plays well and holds / or increases his trade value or plays poor and loses dollars off his next contract .

[troyjones2525]

I agree with you BS, the deal implies that they don't want Green, or will pass on any bid before their pick 6. Having heard their recruiting manager on Road To The Draft (its an old podcast but I listened to it yesterday) say they didn't need Caldwell when they drafted him. That and seeing what's happening with Bonar, I can imagine they don't desperately need another inside mid and could have their eye on another player.

Either that or its a calculated risk based on the premise that:

GCS will take Rowell and Anderson
Melbourne won't take him as they are perceived to have a midfield full of one-paced inside midfielders and are looking for outside pace and class
Ditto Adelaide exactly the same issues.

Which leaves us next in line. They may be gambling we'll be forced to use pick 5 on Daniher, which is all the more reason why we should not offer it to Essendon and instead only give them the expected Papley pick 9 and a lower round sweetener. Although if we did give pick 5 to the Bombers there's a good chance they'd go for Green.

hmmmm interesting times.

There is no way that Green will make it past our pick 5, whether we have it or Essendon, as we both need a young quality inside mid so it's interesting why they got to 6. I couldn't see them letting him go but would be pleasantly surprised if they did, if we selected him of course!

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[Melbourne_Blood]

I agree with you BS, the deal implies that they don't want Green, or will pass on any bid before their pick 6. Having heard their recruiting manager on Road To The Draft (its an old podcast but I listened to it yesterday) say they didn't need Caldwell when they drafted him. That and seeing what's happening with Bonar, I can imagine they don't desperately need another inside mid and could have their eye on another player.

Either that or its a calculated risk based on the premise that:

GCS will take Rowell and Anderson
Melbourne won't take him as they are perceived to have a midfield full of one-paced inside midfielders and are looking for outside pace and class
Ditto Adelaide exactly the same issues.

Which leaves us next in line. They may be gambling we'll be forced to use pick 5 on Daniher, which is all the more reason why we should not offer it to Essendon and instead only give them the expected Papley pick 9 and a lower round sweetener. Although if we did give pick 5 to the Bombers there's a good chance they'd go for Green.

hmmmm interesting times.


There is no way that Green will make it past our pick 5, whether we have it or Essendon, as we both need a young quality inside mid so it's interesting why they got to 6. I couldn't see them letting him go but would be pleasantly surprised if they did, if we selected him of course!

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Channel 7 reported they ( GWS) were keen to try to jump into the Dees pick 3. How I don’t know . Maybe pick 6 and a future pick or player( speculation on my part as to how they would do it ) but they seemed adamant that was their plan .


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[liz]

Channel 7 reported they ( GWS) were keen to try to jump into the Dees pick 3. How I don’t know . Maybe pick 6 and a future pick or player( speculation on my part as to how they would do it ) but they seemed adamant that was their plan .

It makes sense (within their apparent strategy - which as I posted earlier I don't especially agree with) for them to have that in mind. If we speculate that Melbourne don't especially have their eye on Green, it still depends on how strong their preferences are amongst the next handful of players available. How likely is it that Adelaide or Sydney/Essendon will be eyeing their next favourite player? And what else do the Giants have to offer up?

Even if they fail to move further up, live trading does give the Giants an escape route. If they sit at pick 6 and someone bids on Green before that pick, live trading means they can then trade back down so that they don't use up the whole value of pick 6 on Green and thus lose some of the value of their discount. I imagine they will have a club lined up ready and waiting to do that if Green's name is called before pick 6 comes around.

[Bexl]

I’m not on the anti-NSW/anti-non-Vic bandwagon, I’m on the leave my Swans alone bandwagon. I couldn’t give a rats about GW$, any Victorian club or any team from SA, WA or Qld.

Yep. Me too.