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  • Ralph Dawg
    Senior Player
    • Apr 2018
    • 1729

    Originally posted by Markwebbos
    Swannette, I don't think anyone has the right to say what a "real fan" would or wouldn't say. I also don't appreciate being called "arrogant", or "troll like"

    Do you not think an All-Australian, who's won the Anzac medal, club B&F and kicked 65 goals in a season might be considered a reasonable swap for Papley? Particularly if it were a matter of when not if Papley leaves (that part is speculative).
    IMO as long as it never becomes personal or crosses the lines of good taste and what is socially acceptable, anything is fair game.
    Part of being passionate fans is having an outlet to discuss our innermost thoughts re the team we love.
    Btw Webbos, if it was an out and out swap between Daniher and Papley, Papley wins hands down. I'm pretty happy with our tall options at present and we are a bit short on smalls.
    However, if Paps is a significant flight risk (and only he, his people and the club to some extent really know), and this trade becomes an option, then we would have to consider it.

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    • Mark26
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2017
      • 1535

      I believe that Papley is a key part of our future and is contracted. No way do we let him go. If he is desperate to return to Vic, we either take the hard line and refuse or get a key part of his destination club's future. If the Blues were keen to land him, I'd only swap Papley for Cripps or Walsh. Draft picks won't do it. Draft picks can end up being a bust. I'd bet on a known quantity and ensure that if a gun player is leaving, a gun player enters via the revolving door. The beauty I believe about this scenario (even if is one) is that we hold the cards.

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      • The Big Cat
        On the veteran's list
        • Apr 2006
        • 2356

        Originally posted by ernie koala
        Harley has come out in the media to call out the AFL to acknowledge that the Swans have an unfair fight to retain the likes of Papley and Jones.

        I can only read the teaser, but given the timing of Harley's comments, it says to me we might be losing at least one of these battles.
        Haven't been able to read it either, however my son has, and he said Harley said of the 76 players who have returned to their own states in the last few years, only two have been to the Northern States. (One was Charlie Cameron, can't remember the other.)
        Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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        • MattW
          Veterans List
          • May 2011
          • 4223

          Originally posted by The Big Cat
          Haven't been able to read it either, however my son has, and he said Harley said of the 76 players who have returned to their own states in the last few years, only two have been to the Northern States. (One was Charlie Cameron, can't remember the other.)
          Lachie Weller?

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          • giant
            Veterans List
            • Mar 2005
            • 4731

            Originally posted by The Big Cat
            Haven't been able to read it either, however my son has, and he said Harley said of the 76 players who have returned to their own states in the last few years, only two have been to the Northern States. (One was Charlie Cameron, can't remember the other.)
            Actually the article said Cameron was the only one. I think the stats are of the 40 odd players over the last couple of years traded back to their own states, 80% of them were 1st or 2nd round picks and of them, Cameron was the only one that benefited a northern state.

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            • Mel_C
              Veterans List
              • Jan 2003
              • 4470

              Originally posted by Ludwig
              I just saw this article on the SEN website: [B]HAWKS FIRST PICK TRADE RESTRICTION LIKELY TO BE WAIVED: WHATELEY

              So I asked myself: Why does Hawthorn deserve a rule waiver?



              I guess the statement It's there for the clubs who might recklessly do it refers to the Swans. No doubt the swans would incur a trade ban just for requesting the waiver.

              It's comical how some clubs are exempt from the rules, while othesr are penalized for non-existent rules or rules not broken. Someone should make a list of the new rules implemented specifically to restrict the Swans.

              Talk about a fair competition. What a joke!
              Another example of the AFL changing rules when it suits them. It really is an unprofessional organisation.

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              • barry
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 8499

                It is a kinda dumb rule anyway.

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                • Blood Fever
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 4050

                  Originally posted by barry
                  It is a kinda dumb rule anyway.
                  Agree

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                  • Beerman
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 823

                    Originally posted by goswannies
                    707 what were your recollections of what Ryan said about that period when he talked to the supporter group? He was pretty forthright IIRC
                    My impression at the time was that the handling of O'Keefe's situation was quintessential Swans, on both sides. O'Keefe clearly wasn't happy with the situation, but both sides spoke very respectfully of the other. I remember thinking how professional it all was.

                    But I'm not surprised O'Keefe hasn't come back to Swans in an off-field role.

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                    • AB Swannie
                      Senior Player
                      • Mar 2017
                      • 1579

                      Within the context that “everyone has a price”, what return would you be comfortable with in a trade involving Papley?

                      I’ll use Carlton assets with the options as they seem to be the club most involved in this rumour.

                      A) Pick 8
                      B) Pick 8 + 2020 2nd round
                      C) Pick 8 + 2020 1st round
                      D) Pick 8 + player

                      Obviously, some people will hope for Cripps but let’s be a bit realistic.

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                      • stellation
                        scott names the planets
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 9721

                        Originally posted by barry
                        It is a kinda dumb rule anyway.
                        I agree that it's a dumb rule as far protecting clubs from themselves, but I wouldn't mind it being applied to Hawthorn to stop them from constantly being able to trade for top tier talent from other clubs seemingly every year.
                        I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                        We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                        • stellation
                          scott names the planets
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 9721

                          Originally posted by AB Swannie
                          Within the context that “everyone has a price”, what return would you be comfortable with in a trade involving Papley?

                          I’ll use Carlton assets with the options as they seem to be the club most involved in this rumour.

                          A) Pick 8
                          B) Pick 8 + 2020 2nd round
                          C) Pick 8 + 2020 1st round
                          D) Pick 8 + player

                          Obviously, some people will hope for Cripps but let’s be a bit realistic.
                          I'd say B- he's coming off an excellent season and is the best possible option in an area of need for them. If it's correct that he's wrapped up for a few more seasons then we're in a good position to be over the top in our demands.
                          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                          • AB Swannie
                            Senior Player
                            • Mar 2017
                            • 1579

                            Originally posted by stellation
                            I'd say B- he's coming off an excellent season and is the best possible option in an area of need for them. If it's correct that he's wrapped up for a few more seasons then we're in a good position to be over the top in our demands.
                            Totally agree. I’d rather keep him but if he were to go, we should be asking for premium overs. In a similar situation, Carlton demanded two first rounds for Bryce Gibbs. They ended up getting (basically) 10 & 16 for Gibbs and a future 3rd.

                            I’d be fairly comfortable with Papley & pick 40 for Pick 8 and 2020 first.

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                            • Thunder Shaker
                              Aut vincere aut mori
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4207

                              Originally posted by Ludwig
                              I just saw this article on the SEN website: [B]HAWKS FIRST PICK TRADE RESTRICTION LIKELY TO BE WAIVED: WHATELEY

                              So I asked myself: Why does Hawthorn deserve a rule waiver?

                              I guess the statement It's there for the clubs who might recklessly do it refers to the Swans. No doubt the swans would incur a trade ban just for requesting the waiver.

                              It's comical how some clubs are exempt from the rules, while othesr are penalized for non-existent rules or rules not broken. Someone should make a list of the new rules implemented specifically to restrict the Swans.

                              Talk about a fair competition. What a joke!
                              I agree. What a joke.

                              If any other club was treated like the Swans, they would scream murder.
                              "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                              • Kafka's Ghost
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Sep 2017
                                • 904

                                Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                                I agree. What a joke.

                                If any other club was treated like the Swans, they would scream murder.
                                Murder? If it was Collingwood there’d be a coup at the AFL!

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