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  • sprite
    Regular in the Side
    • Jan 2003
    • 813

    Originally posted by 09183305
    News Corp has suggested Greater Western Sydney spearhead Jeremy Cameron could be wrenched out of the Giants at the end of next year after being "embarrassed" by the club's Grand Final showing on Sunday. This is despite Cameron insisting he and his teammates are "very tight", they "help each other a lot away from football" and are "better people because of that".
    Forget Daniher
    Yeah, gotta believe everything in Newscorpse even when they can't get the day right; Saturday it was. Typical of their crap journalism.
    sprite

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    • stevoswan
      Veterans List
      • Sep 2014
      • 8546

      Really disappointed by this decision from Paps.....once a died in the wool Blood.....now thinking with his groin.

      If I'm the Swans....he's not going anywhere next year and Daniher stays at Essendon, to be recruited by us next year as a free agent and we play real hardball with Paps. Real hardball....

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      • Industrial Fan
        Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
        • Aug 2006
        • 3317

        Still doesn’t include any quotes from Papley and zero new information.
        He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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        • bloodspirit
          Clubman
          • Apr 2015
          • 4448

          Originally posted by KSAS
          This is all from Sam Maclure & his tweeter feed. If there's any truth to this, hopefully the club will hold Papely to his contract no matter what Daniher decides.
          I agree. Unless there's something we don't know, or we get a ridiculous offer like Carlton's first rounders this year and next, we should hold Papley to his contract and then cash him in for a decent pick at the end, or a year before the end, of his contract. There don't appear to be any compelling reasons to release him on compassionate grounds. It just suits him to 'go home' after he chose to sign a 4 year deal with us.
          Last edited by bloodspirit; 30 September 2019, 10:52 AM.
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          • bloodspirit
            Clubman
            • Apr 2015
            • 4448

            Originally posted by 09183305
            News Corp has suggested Greater Western Sydney spearhead Jeremy Cameron could be wrenched out of the Giants at the end of next year after being "embarrassed" by the club's Grand Final showing on Sunday. This is despite Cameron insisting he and his teammates are "very tight", they "help each other a lot away from football" and are "better people because of that".
            Forget Daniher
            I agree with this too. I think Cameron is a better and more reliable player than Daniher but would be very happy with either. I'm more than happy for us to wait another year to chase Daniher if that's an option but I suspect the opportunity, if there is one, may be now.

            Incidentally, why would the Granny result influence Cameron's "gettability"? It was one game. The more important thing is that they made the Granny. If it does make him more gettable, don't think it says much about him.
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            • Captain
              Captain of the Side
              • Feb 2004
              • 3602

              I love people questioning and challenging those in the media breaking the story. Don’t shoot the messenger people.

              Papley wants out. That is a fact.

              I’m now looking for the club to display some balls and either hold him to his contract or demand something crazy like Essendon is doing with Daniher. Carlton’s first round pick this year and next would do it.

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              • bloodspirit
                Clubman
                • Apr 2015
                • 4448

                Wow! Massive amount of assistance offered to the Suns: Draft bonanza: Suns get top picks, second-rounder, Darwin zone, more - AFL.com.au. 4 top 20 picks (2 this year and another two next) including this year's #1 pick. Plus the ability to rookie up to 10 players and an expanded Academy zone and the ability to trade out these players for more picks! The AFL really want the Suns to succeed.
                All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                • 0918330512
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 1654

                  Originally posted by bloodspirit
                  Wow! Massive amount of assistance offered to the Suns: Draft bonanza: Suns get top picks, second-rounder, Darwin zone, more - AFL.com.au. 4 top 20 picks (2 this year and another two next) including this year's #1 pick. Plus the ability to rookie up to 10 players and an expanded Academy zone and the ability to trade out these players for more picks! The AFL really want the Suns to succeed.
                  Merge GC$ with GW$. That should do it

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                  • KSAS
                    Senior Player
                    • Mar 2018
                    • 1770

                    I now think Carlton planted the seed in Papley's head to return to Vic (he's not a Melburnian). This is because Papley was happy to agree to 3 year trigger contract extension when he was already in long term relationship with his Melb girlfriend (assuming this is the "family reason"). Carlton have seen this as opportunity to throw big $$$$ in attempt to lure him out......which seems to be having an affect. My hatred for them is resurfacing like how they did similar poaching Rhys-Jones and Berine Evans away from us. Gutted if we lose him, even if we get 2 x 1st rounders because I see him as a heart & soul of the club with his playing passion/talent and Swans lineage. I also fear if we let him go, Melb clubs will think any player on our list is gettable no matter length of contract.

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                    • Boddo
                      Senior Player
                      • Mar 2017
                      • 1049

                      Originally posted by bloodspirit
                      Wow! Massive amount of assistance offered to the Suns: Draft bonanza: Suns get top picks, second-rounder, Darwin zone, more - AFL.com.au. 4 top 20 picks (2 this year and another two next) including this year's #1 pick. Plus the ability to rookie up to 10 players and an expanded Academy zone and the ability to trade out these players for more picks! The AFL really want the Suns to succeed.
                      Just spoke to a person who keeps an eye on the draft as I don’t anymore. There’s no standouts from Darwin. ATM a couple who will be mid range picks next year in Jefferey & Lake .

                      Also it was pointed out to me that the picks for next year and the year after can be taken away after being reviewed. Which means that it gives GC more incentive to trade the picks before they could be taken away.

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                      • Blue Sun
                        Senior Player
                        • May 2010
                        • 1439

                        Surely Carlton will have to pay out the remainder of Papley’s contract to the Swans?

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                        • 707
                          Veterans List
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 6204

                          Originally posted by Industrial Fan
                          Still doesn’t include any quotes from Papley and zero new information.
                          Or his management, just from flogs in the media. Wait until it's official.

                          Carlton's pick 10 not enough if it is true and we're prepared to let him go.

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                          • Blood Fever
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4040

                            Originally posted by KSAS
                            I now think Carlton planted the seed in Papley's head to return to Vic (he's not a Melburnian). This is because Papley was happy to agree to 3 year trigger contract extension when he was already in long term relationship with his Melb girlfriend (assuming this is the "family reason"). Carlton have seen this as opportunity to throw big $$$$ in attempt to lure him out......which seems to be having an affect. My hatred for them is resurfacing like how they did similar poaching Rhys-Jones and Berine Evans away from us. Gutted if we lose him, even if we get 2 x 1st rounders because I see him as a heart & soul of the club with his playing passion/talent and Swans lineage. I also fear if we let him go, Melb clubs will think any player on our list is gettable no matter length of contract.
                            Agree with all KSAS. Having read Age article, I take some solace in that Papley is asking for a trade if possible but understands that he could be held to his contact. No way we let him leave unless we end up better off by some margin. Can't see this happening. Should also play hardball with Jones. Both coming into their prime having been developed by the club.

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                            • KTigers
                              Senior Player
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 2499

                              Originally posted by KSAS
                              I now think Carlton planted the seed in Papley's head to return to Vic (he's not a Melburnian). This is because Papley was happy to agree to 3 year trigger contract extension when he was already in long term relationship with his Melb girlfriend (assuming this is the "family reason"). Carlton have seen this as opportunity to throw big $$$$ in attempt to lure him out......which seems to be having an affect. My hatred for them is resurfacing like how they did similar poaching Rhys-Jones and Berine Evans away from us. Gutted if we lose him, even if we get 2 x 1st rounders because I see him as a heart & soul of the club with his playing passion/talent and Swans lineage. I also fear if we let him go, Melb clubs will think any player on our list is gettable no matter length of contract.
                              I would have thought being "heart & soul of the club" and wanting to leave would be mutually exclusive.

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                              • Thunder Shaker
                                Aut vincere aut mori
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 4166

                                Originally posted by Captain
                                I love people questioning and challenging those in the media breaking the story. Don’t shoot the messenger people.

                                Papley wants out. That is a fact.

                                I’m now looking for the club to display some balls and either hold him to his contract or demand something crazy like Essendon is doing with Daniher. Carlton’s first round pick this year and next would do it.
                                Not enough IMO. He's a contracted player so we should be able to bend Carlton over really hard on paying out Papley's contract. Perhaps even hint to the AFL that Carlton should be banned from trading in more players for two years. Why should Sydney be the only club banned from trading?
                                "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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