2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Nico]

Ludwig, I'll have a 1000 baht with you that Melican is not in our best 22 in 2021.

[Ludwig]

Carlton get Papley and Pick 44
Essendon get Phillips and Pick 9
Sydney get Danniher and Carlton future 2nd

Nice from our point of view, but Carlton give up too much and Essendon get too little. If they would take someone like Phillips and Pick 9 then the deal would done already.

What are your thoughts on Oriordan as a mid in the Pearce Handley mould? Would solve a problem of more speed in the midfield.

I think COR can play midfield in due course, but he's just settling in to the defence now and wouldn't consider it at this point. Better to keep him where he is and try moving Mills and Lloyd to the midfield. We have a lot of players (Stoddart, Ling, McInerney) who can fill another spot as a running HBF.

Could live with Reid going. No way McCartin.

Reid is settled with a family in Sydney and not going anywhere. I wouldn't do a straight swap of players for McCartin. All things considered, injury, age, free agency, McCartin is more value than Daniher. That doesn't mean he's a better player, but just a better value.

If it turns out with us giving picks 5 and 25 plus Hayden McLean, I would think it's a fair deal, even on the generous side. I think Essendon should be very happy with that. Anything more and I'd feel we got rolled.

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Ludwig, I'll have a 1000 baht with you that Melican is not in our best 22 in 2021.

Risky bet Nico. The way I'm going, I may not be around in 2021 to pay off.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

That's a very important question. Why the heck did Daniher make his move this year, rather than waiting until next when he's a RFA and would be out of contract? Surely we would have rather waited a year.

Yes it is an important question, and I think either, teh Swans and Daniher were planning a year ahead just like with Franklin or Nico is right and

Because he is cooked. If he plays at Essendon in 2020 and gets injured again then no one will take him. Sounds like self preservation to me.

And if Nico is right, then the Swans are being played.

[crackedactor]

Yes it is an important question, and I think either, teh Swans and Daniher were planning a year ahead just like with Franklin or Nico is right and
And if Nico is right, then the Swans are being played.

It's reached a stage of being ridiculous. Pick 5 and Heeney/Blakey for a hack like Daniher?? Essendon must be smoking something illegal. I say forget him and let him play at Essendon next year, disgruntled and upset with the Melbourne football bubble. He will do wonders for the team moral. Dodoro, Remember we did not chase Daniher he chased the Swans.


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[Mountain Man]

I hope the Daniher trade does not go through - if only to see the tack the Melbourne oriented press take.

Option 1: Swans blow it - deserve a D-
Option 2: Dodoro finally fails by asking too much - earn a C-

[tlock]

Yeah fingers cross the Daniher trade capitulates. It makes no sense to get Daniher right now when the Swans are in a rebuilding mode. And 2 first-rounders is wayy overs.

[Thunder Shaker]

All Essendon are doing by making ridiculous trade offers and baiting the media with them is ensuring that they have a lot of egg on their faces if the Swans do not make the trade and then wait 12 months to make an offer when Daniher is a RFA.

Daniher has played 11 games in two years. He's got maybe a 50% chance of playing 100 more games. Essendon are still trying to trade him as if it's 2017.

Season averages

2013: 5 games, 3 goals. Average 0.60 goals per game.
2014: 21 games, 28 goals. Average 1.33 goals per game.
2015: 22 games, 34 goals. Average 1.55 goals per game.
2016: 22 games, 43 goals. Average 1.95 goals per game.
2017: 23 games, 65 goals. Average 2.83 goals per game.
2018: 7 games, 8 goals. Average 1.14 goals per game.
2019: 4 games, 7 goals. Average 1.75 goals per game.

It's pretty clear that he's not returned to form since his injury (which he may have started the 2018 season with). He should prove his fitness with another season. If he can play 22 games next year with 50 goals or more, then we can talk about offering what Essendon's been asking.

We don't have to make the trade. He's not filling a need. Essendon needs to remember this.

[Hotpotato]

We don’t require him .
He needs us more like it.

[waswan]

Waswan
Do u mean tom Phillips from the pies or andrew Phillips from the blues ?

Essendon want Carlton Phillips

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Agree its alot for Carlton to give but so is a 4th B&F 24yr old with a favourable 4yr deal
Phillips and 9 for Essendon is plenty for an injured Danniher on the brink of Free agency

Tell Essendon that is the offer, dont include any player that hasnt requested a trade, the ball is Carltons court.

[Ludwig]

Joe Who? is coming here to take my place. That's the funniest thing I've heard in years.

[stevoswan]

The Buddy Franklin deal was a year in the making. We didn't try to get him from Hawthorn in 2012, but rather waited until he was a free agent. If we had discussions with Daniher, and he was interested incoming to the Swans, then we should have orchestrated something where he comes to the Swans in 2020 as a free agent. We knew quite well what Dodo would put us through. How did we fall into this trap?

This is exactly what I've been wondering.....it makes no sense to go about it this way, this year. It made complete sense (and should have for Daniher as well) to wait a year and waltz up to Sydney as a free agent. It shows a lack of common sense and logic from both parties.....this is very confusing for Swans fans who have come to expect measured and sensible decisions from their club.

[Beerman]

Re: Daniher, the worst possible outcome for the Swans is trading the farm for him (5 + 9 or more) and being stuck with another Tippet.

I think walking away is a lower risk option, as if he plays stays with Essendon and comes good, we can always either (a) go for him as an RFA or (b) argue he wasn't worth the price/didn't meet our needs, even if we do have another poor result.

Regardless of whether the trade goes through, there will be endless speculation as to who the "winner" was. The media and should sponsor players to request trades - it's like buying content.

[Mark26]

It's reached a stage of being ridiculous. Pick 5 and Heeney/Blakey for a hack like Daniher?? Essendon must be smoking something illegal. I say forget him and let him play at Essendon next year, disgruntled and upset with the Melbourne football bubble. He will do wonders for the team moral. Dodoro, Remember we did not chase Daniher he chased the Swans.


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The juice is clearly still flowing at Bomberland!

However, if we are considering offering anything of value for Daniher this year, rather than waiting a year, we are also on it.

[Ralph Dawg]

This is exactly what I've been wondering.....it makes no sense to go about it this way, this year. It made complete sense (and should have for Daniher as well) to wait a year and waltz up to Sydney as a free agent. It shows a lack of common sense and logic from both parties.....this is very confusing for Swans fans who have come to expect measured and sensible decisions from their club.

Which is why I am fearing the worse. Daniher would not have made his desire to get to us public unless he had been given solid reassurance from the club that we would do our best to broker a deal.

[Legs Akimbo]

I can't see things ending well from here. Danaher has frozen our trade period. Ludicrous demands for Heeney or Blakey. It seems we capitulate and pay overs or procrastinate and lose out on other deals. I feel it is important that they publically walk away at this stage. My suspicion and fear is that Harley feels compelled by some personal assurance he made to TD. Maybe Essendon know this.