Horse

[AnnieH]

HE STILL HAS A YEAR TO RUN ON HIS CONTRACT!!
Apologies for shouting, but contracts used to mean something.

[Captain]

HE STILL HAS A YEAR TO RUN ON HIS CONTRACT!!
Apologies for shouting, but contracts used to mean something.

Silly us. How could we forget that clubs always honour coaches contracts. They never terminate them halfway through.

[liz]

Silly us. How could we forget that clubs always honour coaches contracts. They never terminate them halfway through.

They do, but the person terminate will, almost always, be paid their full financial entitlements under the contract. So the club terminating still substantially fulfils their side of the contract. A coach terminating early isn't symmetrical as the club does receive its entitlements under the contract (ie the services of the person leaving).

[Captain]

They do, but the person terminate will, almost always, be paid their full financial entitlements under the contract. So the club terminating still substantially fulfils their side of the contract. A coach terminating early isn't symmetrical as the club does receive its entitlements under the contract (ie the services of the person leaving).

In 99% of the case it's the clubs terminating the contract on terms that suit them, not the coach. Purely financially they fulfill their part (sometimes) but the stigma of being a sacked coach pretty much ruins the person's career.

Whichever way you look at it, contracts in sport are broken all of the time and there is often a loser to this. In most cases it's the coach who is the loser (even if they get paid out) but this is one time where it might be the club that gets stiffed. So when clubs show no loyalty they can't scream if it's not shown to them.

[AnnieH]

Silly us. How could we forget that clubs always honour coaches contracts. They never terminate them halfway through.

He's NOT a crap coach... crap coaches get terminated and the club have to more than likely pay them out.
This is not a matter of terminating a crap coach... it's a matter of poaching a successful, celebrated coach.
Big diff.

[barry]

Agree with this as well

Could it be that the sticking point is that the term the Swans are offering is well short of the five years from North?

It would only be a sticking point if Horse has said to himself and family "I'm only staying in coaching for another 5 years then I'm retiring", in which case he is well within his rights to chase the $$$ at North.
Assuming he coaches well at Sydney in the next 3 years he will get a contract extension up to 5, and even if he coaches poorly, he will get another 2 years somewhere else based on his reputation.
But neither is as lucrative as North if he has a 5 year limit.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Club policy not to comment on any contract

That's the policy, but the practice is to state something along the lines of "I love this club and I will be here next year", even if it isn't true.

AFAIK, he effectively said that he was going. If he is staying and is trying to maximise his next contract he has deliberately introduced instability into the club in doing so. Longmire should know better than that.

[Blood Fever]

That's the policy, but the practice is to state something along the lines of "I love this club and I will be here next year", even if it isn't true.

AFAIK, he effectively said that he was going. If he is staying and is trying to maximise his next contract he has deliberately introduced instability into the club in doing so. Longmire should know better than that.

He has stated that he is under contact next year. How much clearer can he be? As far as an extension is concerned, not his role to be presumptive.

[Matty10]

How much clearer can he be?

A fair bit more, I would think. Regardless of what he said previously, his performance on AFL360 was anything but clear - that is undeniable.

[Ludwig]

If the club policy is not to talk about contracts, then there can't be any exceptions. Once there's an exception, even a denial of a rumour, the policy is shot.

Even Mark Robinson, as daft as he is, has enough experience to know how to phrase a question that puts the respondent on the spot. I think this is what happened to Horse. A lot of things must have been going through his head at the time about how he was going to put together an answer that would be polite, yet devoid of content. He slipped up, but I don't think we should read anything into it.

Logic says he stays. There are too many journos and not enough stories.

[Blood Fever]

If the club policy is not to talk about contracts, then there can't be any exceptions. Once there's an exception, even a denial of a rumour, the policy is shot.

Even Mark Robinson, as daft as he is, has enough experience to know how to phrase a question that puts the respondent on the spot. I think this is what happened to Horse. A lot of things must have been going through his head at the time about how he was going to put together an answer that would be polite, yet devoid of content. He slipped up, but I don't think we should read anything into it.

Logic says he stays. There are too many journos and not enough stories.

Embarrassing number of journos in Melbourne. Needed to sustain embarrassing number of nuffies.

[Matty10]

If he is staying and is trying to maximise his next contract he has deliberately introduced instability into the club in doing so. Longmire should know better than that.

He either needs a rap over the knuckles by the club or another training session with their media team.

On AFL360 tonight, they were talking about whether the club captain would or should have a conversation with Longmire about the situation. Nick Riewoldt and Bob Murphy were having a bit of fun with it, but both seemed to think it was an awkward situation that needed to be addressed in some way.

[Blood Fever]

He either needs a rap over the knuckles by the club or another training session with their media team.

On AFL360 tonight, they were talking about whether the club captain would or should have a conversation with Longmire about the situation. Nick Riewoldt and Bob Murphy were having a bit of fun with it, but both seemed to think it was an awkward situation that needed to be addressed in some way.

Murphy and Riewoldt have no idea what is happening at the Swans who seem remarkably composed and whose players seem remarkably motivated.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Embarrassing number of journos in Melbourne. Needed to sustain embarrassing number of nuffies.

What’s your problem mate , there’s a lot of Melbourne based supporters on here . Wanna tone down the Melbourne bashing ? Honestly it’s pretty pathetic , where are you from so we can have a go at your home city and it’s inhabitants ?


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[liz]

He either needs a rap over the knuckles by the club or another training session with their media team.

On AFL360 tonight, they were talking about whether the club captain would or should have a conversation with Longmire about the situation. Nick Riewoldt and Bob Murphy were having a bit of fun with it, but both seemed to think it was an awkward situation that needed to be addressed in some way.

And should said captain(s) then hold a media conference to talk about the conversation they had?

Regardless of whether Longmire is staying, going or hasn't yet made up his mind, I have no doubt that the conversations internally are a lot less opaque than what he's been saying publicly - after saying more times than I have fingers that he has no intention of discussing his contract in the media.