2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[The Runner]

Thurlow would not be in our next premiership side. He is a helpful top up currently, and probably belongs on an AFL quality list. But not ours. Would prefer to see games in to Gould next year instead.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Mitch Cleary's delisted 22
B: Marty Gleeson (Ess), Oscar McDonald (Melb), Matt Scharenberg (Coll)
HB: Shane Savage (STK), Majak Daw (NM), Lewis Jetta (WC)
C: Jordan Gallucci (Adel), Matt Kennedy (Carl), Ed Phillips (STK)
HF: Riley Knight (Adel), Jonathon Marsh (STK), Mason Wood (NM)
F: Jacob Townsend (Ess), Sam Skinner (Bris), Matthew Parker (STK)
R: Jackson Trengove (WB), James Parsons (Geel), Dylan Clarke (Ess)
I: Kyle Dunkley (Melb), Jackson Thurlow (Syd), Heath Shaw (GWS), Jasper Pittard (NM)

Emerg: Matt Suckling (WB), Tim Broomhead (Coll), Billy Gowers (WB), Wylie Buzza (PA)

[Ludwig]

Thurlow's delisting makes room for Paddy McCartin, if we want him. Thurlow is the 4th HBF we've delisted this year. We went overboard a bit on that position. Now we just need to get rid of ET to make for an open spot on our list for the supplemental drafts. I don't see a need to delist anyone else, except to move players to the rookie list.

[Auntie.Gerald]

with the rotation of 3rd talls / HBF type roles we do appear fairly covered without Thurlow (as per list below)

........i suspect we may still want another genuine tall defender to cover Rampe, Melican and Brands KPD type lock down roles if injuries strike


3rd tall thru to HBF rotating matchups

1.Mills
2.Fox
3.Dawson
4.Colin
5.Gould
6.Ling
7.Lloyd

[Markwebbos]

with the rotation of 3rd talls / HBF type roles we do appear fairly covered without Thurlow (as per list below)

........i suspect we may still want another genuine tall defender to cover Rampe, Melican and Brands KPD type lock down roles if injuries strike


3rd tall thru to HBF rotating matchups

1.Mills
2.Fox
3.Dawson
4.Colin
5.Gould
6.Ling
7.Lloyd

What about T McCartin?

[Ralph Dawg]

If our desired player is gone by pick 3 and the next player we want looks to be dropping beyond 3 (eg if priority 2 is a bit left field like Bruhn), I wonder if GC would be happy to trade 5 for our 3 and throw in their second rounder (currently 27, will blow out into the 30s with NGA, Academy and FS matching) given they look likely to only use one draft pick this year - they can just add 2 of their highly rated academy kids to their list?

We would get our player and plenty of points so as not to go into deficit for 2021?

[Auntie.Gerald]

oooops i keep thinking of Tom as a forward

definitely can play both

will be fascinating to see what happens in 2021 if Bud Sam etc are all fit and firing !

[lwjoyner]

Can someone enlighten me. I think if its right with thurlow, we still need to delist 3 to account for our draftees with the loss of aa and thurlow and the addition of hickey the primary list = 40. (37 is the total for primary list I think). Are the 3 left on the rookie list (MClean, Bell and Amety) still ok for this list. and can we transfer 3 from main list to rookie list (havenot counted ET yet as a deletion.
THANKS

[Auntie.Gerald]

If our desired player is gone by pick 3 and the next player we want looks to be dropping beyond 3 (eg if priority 2 is a bit left field like Bruhn), I wonder if GC would be happy to trade 5 for our 3 and throw in their second rounder (currently 27, will blow out into the 30s with NGA, Academy and FS matching) given they look likely to only use one draft pick this year - they can just add 2 of their highly rated academy kids to their list?

We would get our player and plenty of points so as not to go into deficit for 2021?

I suppose the Hawks is the big question?

do they want Campbell, do they want Phillips.......etc

bif diff in pts if we guess wrong?

[Thunder Shaker]

If our desired player is gone by pick 3 and the next player we want looks to be dropping beyond 3 (eg if priority 2 is a bit left field like Bruhn), I wonder if GC would be happy to trade 5 for our 3 and throw in their second rounder (currently 27, will blow out into the 30s with NGA, Academy and FS matching) given they look likely to only use one draft pick this year - they can just add 2 of their highly rated academy kids to their list?

We would get our player and plenty of points so as not to go into deficit for 2021?

Nope. That' far too risky. We swap pick 3 for pick 5, and Hawthorn could bid on Campbell at pick 4.

[Ralph Dawg]

I suppose the Hawks is the big question?

do they want Campbell, do they want Phillips.......etc

bif diff in pts if we guess wrong?

Yes, Hawks could ruin us if we traded 3 for 5 + 27 from GC if they took bid on Campbell at 4. We would match with 5 then be left with no high pick.

It would be a left field pick for the Hawks though but given they have some inside mid depth, not entirely impossible for them to want Campbell given his outside run and left foot boot.

Do the club's talk at all? If not, maybe would be best to keep 3 and trade our future 2 for GCs 2020 2nd rounder?

[The Big Cat]

I suppose the Hawks is the big question?

do they want Campbell, do they want Phillips.......etc?

I wouldn’t trust Hawthorn as far as I could throw them. They could still pick Campbell to stuff our plans knowing they would get Phillips anyway when we match their bid.

That 2012 grand final still burns deep and they believe they were robbed of it. They have already destroyed Goodesy by starting all the booing, and Clarkson takes every opportunity to devalue everything our club does.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Just a quick go at our current numbers

Feel free to copy and paste to fix up if wrong.

SYDNEY SWANS as at now:

Draft picks: 3, 31, 34, 43, 60, 82

Who has left: Michael Knoll (delisted), Harry Reynolds (delisted), Brady Rowles (delisted), Ryley Stoddart (delisted), Jack Maibaum (delisted), Aliir Aliir (Port Adelaide, trade) 6 in total

Who has arrived: Hickey

Promoted rookies: tbc

Retained rookies: tbc

Draft / Trade In 2020: maybe 6 players?

Pick 3 ?
Campbell
Gulden?
Tom Hickey
P.McCartin?
Tall defender or ruck? Via 2nd or 3rd draft?


2021:

B Melican Rampe Cunningham

HB Lloyd Mills Dawson

C Florent Rowbottom Blakey

HF Heeney Franklin McInerny

F Papley Reid Hayward

Foll Hickey Parker Kennedy

Interchange T.McCartin, Stephens, Hewett, Fox

23.Sinkers

24.Campbell?

25.Gulden?

26.Taylor squizz

27.Brand

28.Oriordan

29.Gould

30.Warner

31.Ling

32.Gray

33. Naismith?

34. Pick3

35. ?

36. ?

37. ?

1. Oconnor
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.

TBC
Clarke
Maclean
Ronke
Foot
Wicks
Thurlow
E.Taylor?

[The Big Cat]

I think the way the draft order stands at the moment, we have a good chance of snagging Logan McDonald given that North appear keen on Holland and maybe the Crows would favour a SA boy. My big fear is that Essendon will live-trade up to pick 2 especially if the crows do pick Tilthorpe and McDonald is still available.

I would love to hear North’s new coach come out and say pick two is off the table.

[Mark26]

I think the way the draft order stands at the moment, we have a good chance of snagging Logan McDonald given that North appear keen on Holland and maybe the Crows would favour a SA boy. My big fear is that Essendon will live-trade up to pick 2 especially if the crows do pick Tilthorpe and McDonald is still available.

I would love to hear North’s new coach come out and say pick two is off the table.

If Tilthorpe and McDonald are gone (regardless of who is picking ahead of us) we should take the 'best' available player, which should land us a midfielder with gun potential. I'd be happy in hindsight with Hollands, Tilthorpe or McDonald after watching their highlight packages.