2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • rickmat
    Regular in the Side
    • Mar 2018
    • 500

    Have a feeling that Naismith will be "retired" due to him being so injury prone. This next season will see all clubs having less players in their squads and there will be more severe culling of players, staff and assets. So challenge for Swans is to try and find an experienced mobile big man who can ruck and around the ground. AA is too slight for whole game @@@@ing and Sinclair is no value around the ground. So we have a dilemma, many have named some big man options. Let's hope we can identify one clear option and go for him without compromising the draft picks. We picked up Mummy from Geelong and you never know what might be out there if many clubs need to cull

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    • 707
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2009
      • 6204

      I'm posting this from the Swans website to try and put a stop to the negative chat from some posters that Parker is declining as a player and isn't relevant to our future plans. I get really annoyed when I read those comments, noting that Travis Boak has had his best ever year at age 32!

      "Luke Parker’s best on ground nine votes against Brisbane in Round 17 catapulted him into 11th overall in the AFL Coaches Association Player of the Year award.
      Parker, the highest placed Swan, finished on 44 votes"

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      • waswan
        Senior Player
        • Oct 2015
        • 2047

        Originally posted by rickmat
        Have a feeling that Naismith will be "retired" due to him being so injury prone. This next season will see all clubs having less players in their squads and there will be more severe culling of players, staff and assets. So challenge for Swans is to try and find an experienced mobile big man who can ruck and around the ground. AA is too slight for whole game @@@@ing and Sinclair is no value around the ground. So we have a dilemma, many have named some big man options. Let's hope we can identify one clear option and go for him without compromising the draft picks. We picked up Mummy from Geelong and you never know what might be out there if many clubs need to cull
        I agree with Naismith retirement
        He will take a development role, rehab on the side and if anywhere near it, be pre season drafted the year after

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        • dimelb
          pr. dim-melb; m not f
          • Jun 2003
          • 6889

          Originally posted by Mutley
          Not sure why we would not look to someone like Lloyd meek form Dockers, in our age bracket to develop with the rest of the team, stuck behind another emerging young ruck - Sean Darcy and a strong second option Rory Lobb. Has a year left on his contract and would not cost a lot in picks.
          Welcome aboard Mutley - we can also do with newbies!

          And I agree with you about the need for another ruckman, though I hope we see more of Naismith on the park.
          He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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          • redunderthebed
            Warming the Bench
            • Jan 2003
            • 173

            Originally posted by 707
            I'm posting this from the Swans website to try and put a stop to the negative chat from some posters that Parker is declining as a player and isn't relevant to our future plans. I get really annoyed when I read those comments, noting that Travis Boak has had his best ever year at age 32!

            "Luke Parker’s best on ground nine votes against Brisbane in Round 17 catapulted him into 11th overall in the AFL Coaches Association Player of the Year award.
            Parker, the highest placed Swan, finished on 44 votes"
            Maybe I am a Nosey Parker love child but I don't see that the Swans have a better, harder warrior than Nosey. Never has a bad game and if you watch his style, he never gives up and puts his body is 'on the line' every time he plays.Great mark, accurate kick, inspirational captain and a brute in a tackle.
            He has many years to go if the body holds up.He IS NOT IN DECLINE.
            It is appalling that some do not give this champion the credit deserved.

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            • TheBloods
              Suspended by the MRP
              • Feb 2020
              • 2047

              Originally posted by 707
              I'm posting this from the Swans website to try and put a stop to the negative chat from some posters that Parker is declining as a player and isn't relevant to our future plans. I get really annoyed when I read those comments, noting that Travis Boak has had his best ever year at age 32!

              "Luke Parker’s best on ground nine votes against Brisbane in Round 17 catapulted him into 11th overall in the AFL Coaches Association Player of the Year award.
              Parker, the highest placed Swan, finished on 44 votes"
              Precisely!! If Parker isn't far and away our best midfielder and LEADER then Paul Kelly and Brett Kirk must of wandered back onto the list at some point without me noticing them.

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              • Melbourne_Blood
                Senior Player
                • May 2010
                • 3312

                Originally posted by 707
                I'm posting this from the Swans website to try and put a stop to the negative chat from some posters that Parker is declining as a player and isn't relevant to our future plans. I get really annoyed when I read those comments, noting that Travis Boak has had his best ever year at age 32!

                "Luke Parker’s best on ground nine votes against Brisbane in Round 17 catapulted him into 11th overall in the AFL Coaches Association Player of the Year award.
                Parker, the highest placed Swan, finished on 44 votes"
                Parker is absolutely one of our best players and leaders, certainly our best mid. But 3-4 years ago he was easily a top 5 player ( or mid at least ) in the comp, now he’s just outside the top ten on that count you refer to. He’s not as dominant as he was in the years 2014-2018. And while still fairly young he’s not exactly trending upwards.

                Certainly he’s a big part of our future plans but he’s not the player he was a few season ago. I don’t think it’s negative to say that, it’s a fact based on his output relative to previous seasons.


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                • stevoswan
                  Veterans List
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 8545

                  Originally posted by rickmat
                  . AA is too slight for whole game @@@@ing
                  Yeah, most of us can only go for a few minutes at best.

                  Hit the 'f' instead of the 'r' Rick?

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                  • Nico
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 11329

                    Originally posted by Markwebbos
                    Grundy was drafted in 2012 and playing the next year albeit not in full flight. I think if you want to have a top flight ruck, you probably have got to burn a reasonable pick on them. Not top 10 (Nic Nat is a freak), but maybe 15-35. And you’ll get a player that doesn’t spend 5 years developing. Look at McCartin who is way ahead on his KPF/D trajectory.. Grundy. English. Jackson.

                    I like the sound of Henry Walsh who should be in that range if we can engineer the pick.

                    If MacDonald or Hollands are available I think they sound better prospects than Thilthorpe.

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                    I’m saying we see if Norf want to swap pick 2 and 1 or 2 lower picks for our 3 and 22. Similar number of points. It suits us to go up one place. We don’t care what our next pick is after that. Might suit them if they aren’t into talls or want to take a mid first.
                    Hollands has already done a knee. I recall all the talk on Alex Johnson and it appears that if you do it once there is a high chance you will do another, particularly if you are young. Lets pass on him and take the next best.
                    http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                    • stevoswan
                      Veterans List
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 8545

                      Originally posted by 707
                      I'm posting this from the Swans website to try and put a stop to the negative chat from some posters that Parker is declining as a player and isn't relevant to our future plans. I get really annoyed when I read those comments, noting that Travis Boak has had his best ever year at age 32!

                      "Luke Parker’s best on ground nine votes against Brisbane in Round 17 catapulted him into 11th overall in the AFL Coaches Association Player of the Year award.
                      Parker, the highest placed Swan, finished on 44 votes"
                      Yes, the negative Parker talk is weird....even champions have an off day occasionally. You don't hear people saying Danger or Pendlebury are past it when they have a quiet one and Parker's are only quiet 'by his standards', which are higher than most....and Boak is prime example of the adage 'never write off a champion.'

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                      • Nico
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 11329

                        Originally posted by waswan
                        I agree with Naismith retirement
                        He will take a development role, rehab on the side and if anywhere near it, be pre season drafted the year after
                        The problem with Sam is he is unlikely to be ready for next season.
                        http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                        • dejavoodoo44
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 8497

                          Originally posted by stevoswan
                          Yeah, most of us can only go for a few minutes at best.

                          Hit the 'f' instead of the 'r' Rick?
                          Possibly a Freudian slop.

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                          • Syd76
                            Warming the Bench
                            • Jul 2019
                            • 200

                            Papley was also a pick up in the rookie draft

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                            • gloveski
                              Senior Player
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 1018

                              Originally posted by Nico
                              Hollands has already done a knee. I recall all the talk on Alex Johnson and it appears that if you do it once there is a high chance you will do another, particularly if you are young. Lets pass on him and take the next best.
                              I would take the punt , if he hadn’t done his knee he would be likely no1 . Kid can play


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                              • i'm-uninformed2
                                Reefer Madness
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 4653

                                Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                                Parker is absolutely one of our best players and leaders, certainly our best mid. But 3-4 years ago he was easily a top 5 player ( or mid at least ) in the comp, now he’s just outside the top ten on that count you refer to. He’s not as dominant as he was in the years 2014-2018. And while still fairly young he’s not exactly trending upwards.

                                Certainly he’s a big part of our future plans but he’s not the player he was a few season ago. I don’t think it’s negative to say that, it’s a fact based on his output relative to previous seasons.


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                                His output is also in context. He was part of a far deeper midfield. This year, without Kennedy and Heeney for large chunks of the season, he was going solo in there. And he’s not often afforded the opportunity to play forward.

                                He’s been magnificent this year given the load he had.
                                'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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