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  • Meg
    Go Swannies!
    Site Admin
    • Aug 2011
    • 4828

    Originally posted by Mel_C
    That's unfair on Buddy. He turned up in 2014 when most of the team didn't. In 2016 he injured his ankle at the start of the game.
    Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
    Agree. We probably wouldn’t have even made the last dance in 2014 and 2016 without Buddy. Won us plenty of games off his own boot in both those seasons.


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    Totally agree with Mel and MB.

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    • Blood Fever
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 4050

      Originally posted by Mel_C
      That's unfair on Buddy. He turned up in 2014 when most of the team didn't. In 2016 he injured his ankle at the start of the game.
      Agree..Ignorant and unnecessarily cruel comment.

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      • Melbourne_Blood
        Senior Player
        • May 2010
        • 3312

        Ladhams would be a nice pick up. Wouldn’t be for peanuts though


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        • MattW
          Veterans List
          • May 2011
          • 4220

          Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
          Ladhams would be a nice pick up. Wouldn’t be for peanuts though


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          Which presumably is why we're into Hickey. We don't have much to offer.

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          • Captain
            Captain of the Side
            • Feb 2004
            • 3602

            Originally posted by Blood Fever
            Agree..Ignorant and unnecessarily cruel comment.
            Cruel. Lol! Precious much...

            Which part is ignorant? The fact Buddy is on huge $$ or the fact he has delivered as many premierships for us as Gary? Neither statement is incorrect.

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            Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
            Agree. We probably wouldn’t have even made the last dance in 2014 and 2016 without Buddy. Won us plenty of games off his own boot in both those seasons.


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            Never said he didn’t.

            Gary won us a few off his own boots too.

            Guess it’s ok for people to slag him though as he is at another team now.

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            • MattW
              Veterans List
              • May 2011
              • 4220

              Originally posted by Captain
              Cruel. Lol! Precious much...

              Which part is ignorant? The fact Buddy is on huge $$ or the fact he has delivered as many premierships for us as Gary? Neither statement is incorrect.
              It overlooks the significant contribution Lance has made on and off the field, particularly in comparison to Rohan - on both counts.

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              • Captain
                Captain of the Side
                • Feb 2004
                • 3602

                Originally posted by MattW
                It overlooks the significant contribution Lance has made on and off the field, particularly in comparison to Rohan - on both counts.
                Does it? I was commenting purely on grand finals.

                Gary would have been on $200k and Buddy $1m. Would have expected Buddy contributed more.

                It’s easy to knock Gary but if you do that then you should also knock Buddy, especially given the amount of salary cap going towards him.

                Without going off track too far, neither won a Bob Skilton medal, a premiership medal or a best finals player award.

                Of course Buddy is going to be recognised as an all time great, and rightfully so. I just think it’s unfair to crucify Gary for going missing in finals and not Buddy.

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                • stevoswan
                  Veterans List
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 8560

                  Originally posted by Mel_C
                  That's unfair on Buddy. He turned up in 2014 when most of the team didn't. In 2016 he injured his ankle at the start of the game.
                  Add to that the AFL stamped the Swans papers "never to win flag while Buddy's a Swan" after we recruited him. Fitzpatrick's revenge......the a-hole.

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                  • stevoswan
                    Veterans List
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 8560

                    Originally posted by Captain
                    Does it? I was commenting purely on grand finals.

                    Gary would have been on $200k and Buddy $1m. Would have expected Buddy contributed more.

                    It’s easy to knock Gary but if you do that then you should also knock Buddy, especially given the amount of salary cap going towards him.

                    Without going off track too far, neither won a Bob Skilton medal, a premiership medal or a best finals player award.

                    Of course Buddy is going to be recognised as an all time great, and rightfully so. I just think it’s unfair to crucify Gary for going missing in finals and not Buddy.
                    Buddy never goes missing in finals and got us into many. He's worth every penny (so far).

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                    • Captain
                      Captain of the Side
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 3602

                      Originally posted by stevoswan
                      Add to that the AFL stamped the Swans papers "never to win flag while Buddy's a Swan" after we recruited him. Fitzpatrick's revenge......the a-hole.
                      Can’t blame Fitzpatrick (or Buddy or Rohan) for 2014. The entire team were a debacle.

                      There is something in it though for 2016, will never forget the umpiring that day.

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                      • stevoswan
                        Veterans List
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 8560

                        Originally posted by Captain
                        Can’t blame Fitzpatrick (or Buddy or Rohan) for 2014. The entire team were a debacle.

                        There is something in it though for 2016, will never forget the umpiring that day.
                        2014 was not good, no. But Buddy played well.....

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                        • Meg
                          Go Swannies!
                          Site Admin
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 4828

                          Originally posted by Captain
                          Of course Buddy is going to be recognised as an all time great, and rightfully so. I just think it’s unfair to crucify Gary for going missing in finals and not Buddy.
                          Again that comment is unfair on Buddy.

                          Take 2016: Buddy was in scintillating form in the finals series. He was in the best players in each of the three finals matches leading into the grand final.

                          As already stated he hurt his ankle early in the first quarter of the grand final. He was off the ground for some time getting treatment and when he returned was clearly hampered for the rest of the match.

                          I firmly believe, despite everything else that went wrong for us that day, we would have won but for Buddy’s injury.

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                          • 707
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6204

                            For those lamenting his trade out, Rohan unsighted tonight!

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                            • dimelb
                              pr. dim-melb; m not f
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 6889

                              Originally posted by Meg
                              Again that comment is unfair on Buddy.

                              Take 2016: Buddy was in scintillating form in the finals series. He was in the best players in each of the three finals matches leading into the grand final.

                              As already stated he hurt his ankle early in the first quarter of the grand final. He was off the ground for some time getting treatment and when he returned was clearly hampered for the rest of the match.

                              I firmly believe, despite everything else that went wrong for us that day, we would have won but for Buddy’s injury.
                              I see it the same way.

                              And let's not forget the effect Buddy had on AFL in Sydney - as evidenced in our record memberships.
                              He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                              • Thunder Shaker
                                Aut vincere aut mori
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 4204

                                Originally posted by Captain
                                Can’t blame Fitzpatrick (or Buddy or Rohan) for 2014. The entire team were a debacle.
                                A strange comment, considering we finished on top of the ladder that year, so we weren't really a "debacle". The Grand Final was different, however, see remarks below for 2014.

                                Originally posted by Captain
                                There is something in it though for 2016, will never forget the umpiring that day.
                                Yes, the umpiring left a lot to be desired.

                                On these two years, as well as four others, I'm convinced that we've got some kind of curse that we need to dispel. We finished on top of the ladder in both these years, and we lost both grand finals.

                                It's been 102 years since we've finished on top of the ladder and won the premiership in the same year. Since 1918, when we finished on top and won the premiership, whenever we've finished on top we made the Grand Final but kept finding strange ways to lose the Grand Finals.

                                1935 - not particularly remarkable.
                                1936 - not particularly remarkable.
                                1945 - first team to lose a Grand Final to a team that made the Grand Final from fourth under the McIntyre Final Four system (introduced in 1931).
                                1996 - not particularly remarkable.
                                2014 - biggest losing margin for a minor premier in a Grand Final.
                                2016 - first team to lose a Grand Final to a team that made the Grand Final from outside the top four under the current finals system (introduced in 2000).

                                (For completeness, we also made the Grand Final in 1909, 1912 and 1918 after finishing on top of the ladder. In those years the Argus finals system guaranteed that the minor premier would always have the right of challenge for the premiership, so making the Grand Final was automatic for the minor premiers.)

                                We have never failed to make the Grand Final after finishing on top of the ladder. We have finished on top nine times since 1897, for nine Grand Finals and two premierships.
                                "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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