2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[rb4x]

Very surprised if ET gets a prison sentence

[Auntie.Gerald]

The nrl have gone down the path of standing down a player from games, while still being paid their contract.........but the player can train with the team until court outcome. ie innocent before proven guilty.

The pay still counts towards the cap

If it is determined that ET is innocent by Australian courts........what are next steps for the Swans?

It is determined that ET is guilty do the Swans keep him on a revised contract and help with rehab if a suspended jail sentence ? or tear ETs contract up and de list him from our 2021 roster ?

[dejavoodoo44]

The nrl have gone down the path of standing down a player from games, while still being paid their contract.........but the player can train with the team until court outcome. ie innocent before proven guilty.

The pay still counts towards the cap

If it is determined that ET is innocent by Australian courts........what are next steps for the Swans?

It is determined that ET is guilty do the Swans keep him on a revised contract and help with rehab if a suspended jail sentence ? or tear ETs contract up and de list him from our 2021 roster ?

He's pleaded guilty.
I assume that there's a provision in AFL contracts, that allows a club to delist a play who commits a jailable offence. I mean, I can't recall any company, being forced to continue to employ someone, while they serve their time. If he doesn't get a prison sentence, I still think that we should delist him. Otherwise the club's stated commitment to values, will sound just like empty corporate PR blather.

[caj23]

Even Talia was slightly different. That was more an alleged ‘ insider trading’ thing before we recruited him. He obviously shat in our face after that.


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Talia was very unlucky to get caught, but the reality is recreational drug usage is extremely high for AFL footballers who are young men and can't go on big alcohol binges even in the offseason now.

You are extremely naive if you believe that we have 40 players on our list who don't partake in the Colombian marching powder.

[bloodspirit]

The nrl have gone down the path of standing down a player from games, while still being paid their contract.........but the player can train with the team until court outcome. ie innocent before proven guilty.

The pay still counts towards the cap

If it is determined that ET is innocent by Australian courts........what are next steps for the Swans?

It is determined that ET is guilty do the Swans keep him on a revised contract and help with rehab if a suspended jail sentence ? or tear ETs contract up and de list him from our 2021 roster ?

He's pleaded guilty.
I assume that there's a provision in AFL contracts, that allows a club to delist a play who commits a jailable offence. I mean, I can't recall any company, being forced to continue to employ someone, while they serve their time. If he doesn't get a prison sentence, I still think that we should delist him. Otherwise the club's stated commitment to values, will sound just like empty corporate PR blather.

Courts never find you "innocent". Not guilty does not mean innocent. Even if you probably did it you are "not guilty" because they can't be sure.

Gaolable offences include graffiti, shoplifting and carrying a Swiss Army knife in your pocket without a lawful excuse. Not exactly a high bar. Whether you actually get a gaol sentence seems a better measure of the seriousness of an offence.

[dejavoodoo44]

Courts never find you "innocent". Not guilty does not mean innocent. Even if you probably did it you are "not guilty" because they can't be sure.

Gaolable offences include graffiti, shoplifting and carrying a Swiss Army knife in your pocket without a lawful excuse. Not exactly a high bar. Whether you actually get a gaol sentence seems a better measure of the seriousness of an offence.

If he gets a large fine, community service, a restraining order and various other conditions, instead of a jail sentence, I don't think we should then pretend that the imprisonment and beating of a woman, should be regarded as a minor misdemeanour. The club should be prepared to stick to its stated values and terminate his contract.
Doing otherwise, sends a message that our talk of a strong culture, is just largely hot air. Or our culture is really just a bit of a boys club, and it just means going hard at the ball, and things like, honesty, respect, off-field behaviour and community values, don't really matter.
Maybe forty or fifty years ago, a significant number of people thought that giving the missus a bit of a slap, was a legitimate disciplinary measure, but times have moved on.

[Rod_]

He might win best first year player and needs to there to collect his trophy.

:-) And I thought I was a funny bugger~

[Markwebbos]

There's one of those wild "How Collingwood could get Jeremy Cameron" articles. Matt Rendell (ex-Pies) suggests they trade Brodie Grundy to the Swans... and suggests as his replacement, Sam Hayes at Port. I'd like to think we are pursuing Sam Hayes or similar.

Former Pies recruiter suggests huge trade moves for his old club

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There's one of those wild "How Collingwood could get Jeremy Cameron" articles. Matt Rendell (ex-Pies) suggests they trade Brodie Grundy to the Swans... and suggests as his replacement, Sam Hayes at Port. I'd like to think we are pursuing Sam Hayes or similar.

Former Pies recruiter suggests huge trade moves for his old club

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Matt Rendell doing quite a bit of media at present, was a very good recruiter in his day. Recently suggested Phillips was this years draft's Matt Rowell.

Speaking of Brodie Grundy, form fell away this season after landing his 7 x $1mill contract

[dejavoodoo44]

There's one of those wild "How Collingwood could get Jeremy Cameron" articles. Matt Rendell (ex-Pies) suggests they trade Brodie Grundy to the Swans... and suggests as his replacement, Sam Hayes at Port. I'd like to think we are pursuing Sam Hayes or similar.

Former Pies recruiter suggests huge trade moves for his old club

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There's one of those wild "How Collingwood could get Jeremy Cameron" articles. Matt Rendell (ex-Pies) suggests they trade Brodie Grundy to the Swans... and suggests as his replacement, Sam Hayes at Port. I'd like to think we are pursuing Sam Hayes or similar.

Former Pies recruiter suggests huge trade moves for his old club

Sounds a touch fanciful, but I suspect that most of us would accept Grundy for our first round pick.

[bloodspirit]

Sounds a touch fanciful, but I suspect that most of us would accept Grundy for our first round pick.

Sounds absolutely ridiculous.

I wouldn't take Grundy due to the size of his salary. Otherwise, yeah, I'd consider pick 3. But I'd still think long and hard.

[Ralph Dawg]

For Grundy to come, we would have to agree to his current contract ie massive cash and 6 years. Collingwood would need to agree to pay a big chunk until Buddy retires. Just can't see it happening.

Sam Hayes would be a better target but has one year left on his contract. It would have to involve a player swap or future pick. Personally, I'm not averse to trading Hayward. We have Heeney, Dawson even Parker, Hewett and Joey who all can play the medium forward role with the added benefit of pushing into the midfield. I'd be happy for a direct swap but if we could get a third rounder too, that would be ideal.

[dejavoodoo44]

Sounds absolutely ridiculous.

I wouldn't take Grundy due to the size of his salary. Otherwise, yeah, I'd consider pick 3. But I'd still think long and hard.

Yes, pick 3: assuming that he takes a pay cut, and that he's willing to put up with feral Pies fans, for the next five years or so.

[TheBloods]

What are the odds we don't match any bid for Braeden Campbell ? Likely to go in the 6 to 10 range, which is better than a bid coming before our pick 3. But what if we still think a top 10 is too high for him and we arent willing to sacrifice the picks and the points that could be used on trading instead ?? Do people think this could be a likely outcome or are the club that invested in this kid .

[Ralph Dawg]

Jeez I hope not. Would set the bar so high for future academy hopefuls and send a really bad message.