2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • Auntie.Gerald
    Veterans List
    • Oct 2009
    • 6480

    Providing the greatest probability for a team to move from the bottom of the table to back in the top8 and competitive is such an incredible puzzle to solve.

    A web approach vs a mono approach re list management and peak performance, has arguably been the key. It is always an insightful process to remind ourselves where the vast majority of best 22 players come from.

    There is no doubt that just because you have early picks in the draft doesnt mean success on the field. We have seen this with Melb, Carlton, Gold Coast, GWS. Equally some teams have recruited on the run with minimal top draft picks and been successful.

    So far our key recruits with 1st round draft picks have been Ollie, Mills, Heeney, Stephens, Blakey, Hayward, Ling. Do these 7 players dominate a game? Not really.........but maybe soon? The Blakey experiment with midfield game time could look very different in 2021 / 22? Mills could move into the midfield if our backline goes to a next level. Heeney maybe delayed as a significantly difficult injury to heal quickly. Stephens could dominate like a Gaff on the wing. We will see !

    The late picks > a high performing list needs a Parker, Rampe, Lloyd, Paps, Cunningham, Dawson, AA, Fox, Oriordan, Melican, McInerny Wicks ie these later picks to come through and be consistent contributors in the best 22.........In fact one would argue this segment determines a list more than any other, if done right as it makes up half a best 22 !

    A high performing list needs to nail the mid range picks to become dominant players - Hewett, Rowbottom, Reid, McCartin, Gould, Warner etc

    A high performing list needs some serious elite and or value trade opportunities to arise and count - Kennedy value through to Bud elite. Jury is out on Brand, Clarke, Thurlow and Taylor who we are fairly dependant on to bolster our best 22 via experience / mature bodies.

    Finally injuries obviously hurt or hinder.......a club needs a run of injury free - Ling a top draft pick through to Bud etc out for long periods hurts our best 22 significantly.

    .........

    I am excited by Stephens potential and a pick3 type opportunity this draft. Yet our ability to trade value players, trade elite players and to select mid range to late picks that go onto to dominate like a Rampe is just as important if not way more so !
    "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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    • Captain
      Captain of the Side
      • Feb 2004
      • 3602

      I don’t understand why we would even contemplate trading Aliir???

      He is still you young, has so much upside and is one of the most versatile players on our list.

      Crazy

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      • Auntie.Gerald
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2009
        • 6480

        AA stays for me
        even if a early pick 30 came along unless we can trade in a very experienced tall back
        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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        • MattW
          Veterans List
          • May 2011
          • 4221

          If we trade Aliir, it's because we're building the defence around Rampe, McCartin and Melican, with Fox, Gould and Brand as the depth. That's not too bad, as a tall/medium unit.

          In the second half of last season, we moved away from playing Aliir as a defender, even with Rampe out, which was a bit of a worrying sign for him.

          Not saying we should trade him, but I'm not sure we're keeping him because we want him as a defender.

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          • barry
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 8499

            Ever since COLA was removed and other restrictions, we have slipped way down the ladder, lost let players, and while GWS lost a few, held on for a while, are now losing players and slipping down the ladder.

            Does the AFL want to basket case clubs in Sydney. Because their policies are causing it.

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            • AB Swannie
              Senior Player
              • Mar 2017
              • 1579

              Originally posted by Captain
              I don’t understand why we would even contemplate trading Aliir???

              He is still you young, has so much upside and is one of the most versatile players on our list.

              Crazy
              What’s your definition of young? He is 26 which is not old but I would think young is closer to 23/24 in terms of an AFL player.

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              • Mark26
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2017
                • 1535

                Originally posted by Captain
                I don’t understand why we would even contemplate trading Aliir???

                He is still you young, has so much upside and is one of the most versatile players on our list.

                Crazy
                I agree. Don't want to lose AA. I regret losing Rohan who is now playing in a GF for another team. Whatever we might say about Rohan going missing, he's contributed to Geelong's success and is playing well in the one position. Will we be saying the same thing about AA in a year's time if we let him go? I think there's upside with AA.

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                • Auntie.Gerald
                  Veterans List
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 6480

                  To be fair on any key position defender in a team that only wins 5 games.............you are always under the pump and will struggle in that role when the opposition sends in the ball like a constant missile attack.

                  It was smarter to use the rest of season 2020 to develop Blakey, AA and McCartin etc into being more rounded players and have multi use. The upside should be stronger for 2021
                  "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                  • SwanSand
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Aug 2020
                    • 527

                    Originally posted by Mark26
                    I agree. Don't want to lose AA. I regret losing Rohan who is now playing in a GF for another team. Whatever we might say about Rohan going missing, he's contributed to Geelong's success and is playing well in the one position. Will we be saying the same thing about AA in a year's time if we let him go? I think there's upside with AA.
                    Not sure what Port’s plans for Aliir would be. He is a fringe player in every aspect of his game. Tall and good endurance. But lacks one on one defensive skills that Port need to tame the likes of Lynch, Jeremy Cameron or Joe Daniher. Surely they won’t use him as forward or ruck. I am sure he is not the tall defender they are after as their no. 1 target - maybe they will go after Jake Carlisle.
                    On our list, he is the most versatile player that we can use alongside Heeney and Dawson. His best position is intercept marker and kick the ball in the corridor. But his kicking skills for that are below the level of Rampe and Dawson so I would rather want the ball in their hands from back half when you want to take on the game.
                    He is replaceable from our point of view. We should keep him unless we get a very good deal.

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                    • Ralph Dawg
                      Senior Player
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 1729

                      Originally posted by MattW
                      If we trade Aliir, it's because we're building the defence around Rampe, McCartin and Melican, with Fox, Gould and Brand as the depth. That's not too bad, as a tall/medium unit.

                      In the second half of last season, we moved away from playing Aliir as a defender, even with Rampe out, which was a bit of a worrying sign for him.

                      Not saying we should trade him, but I'm not sure we're keeping him because we want him as a defender.
                      It is clear we need a ruck. If McCartain is going to make his career down back, we need a KPF as well. Ideally we use pick 3 then match bids on Gulden and Campbell. Clearly our current list has some pretty big needs but we just don't have enough currency in picks.

                      I like Aliir, can play some ripper games and clearly is a great personality around the club. But as the saying goes, you don't get something for nothing............

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                      • waswan
                        Senior Player
                        • Oct 2015
                        • 2047

                        Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                        It is clear we need a ruck.
                        That may be clear, whats not clear is if Hayes is an AFL standard ruck worth losing a big contributor for
                        I say no way

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                        • Ralph Dawg
                          Senior Player
                          • Apr 2018
                          • 1729

                          Originally posted by waswan
                          That may be clear, whats not clear is if Hayes is an AFL standard ruck worth losing a big contributor for
                          I say no way
                          Aliir is best as an intercept defender / 3rd tall. It all comes down to what we do with McCartain. If his home is in defence then where does that put Aliir? Melican and Brand better as one on one defenders. Fox did really well as our third (small) tall and Gould is yet to debut. Mills can play as the third tall. Even Dawson can play the third tall. I think a straight swap is a no but if it was Hayes and a late second / early third, we would consider it.

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                          • Colin Hounsell
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Jul 2020
                            • 19

                            Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                            Aliir is best as an intercept defender / 3rd tall. It all comes down to what we do with McCartain. If his home is in defence then where does that put Aliir? Melican and Brand better as one on one defenders. Fox did really well as our third (small) tall and Gould is yet to debut. Mills can play as the third tall. Even Dawson can play the third tall. I think a straight swap is a no but if it was Hayes and a late second / early third, we would consider it.
                            I agree with this. Although I can’t find much info on whether Hayes is any good. I’m not sure why Port would really want Aliir as a Key defender though. He could be a classy swing man though for them.

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                            • dejavoodoo44
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 8660

                              Port have plenty of established talls and promising young talls. I doubt if there's much substance to the radio chat.

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                              • caj23
                                Senior Player
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 2462

                                Wouldn't suprise me if we traded Allir, he's another player who has been criminally mishandled by Longmire since he was a key cog in getting us to the GF in 2016.

                                He's the type of player who would thrive under a coach who had confidence in him and utilised his strengths.

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