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  • Auntie.Gerald
    Veterans List
    • Oct 2009
    • 6474

    As long as no3 pick is not a Gasper leave or Fitzgerald, Vespremi, Johnston, Rohan, Lamb, Towers first pick situation we will be fine

    ps - watch the media swing its attention to bashing us and our academy picks now that Bucks came out and cleared the air !

    the frenzy begins - this is a media perfect storm rebound picking on the 3rd last team from 2020

    no3 pick
    Campbell no 8ish
    Gulden no20ish

    if Paddy McCartin - delisted player for free will be made out to be like recruiting Tippett

    if little Paps joins he will be the next best small forward in the game
    "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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    • 707
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2009
      • 6204

      Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
      For those wondering about us taking a defender at pick 3/4, here's Knightmares draft profile from the above ESPN link. I'd be happy with this

      "This year's top key defender, Grainger-Barras is athletic and impressive both as a stopper and intercept mark. His game in the WAFL against Perth key forward Logan McDonald solidified his standing as one of the best in this draft pool - when moved onto McDonald in the third quarter he either won each one-on-one contest, spoiled or took the intercept mark when they were matched up."

      Chris Doerre (Knightmare) really rates Campbell and Gulden noting their kicking skills, thank you very much, nice pair to add to laser boot Dawson and Blakey. Buddy will be loving those passes

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      • giant
        Veterans List
        • Mar 2005
        • 4731

        Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
        Here is the highlights package for Denver Grainger-Barras:

        Thanks, reads it very well and good user. Would have been good to see more WAFL footage but certainly had a helluva couple of games at the carnival from the looks of things.

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        • Auntie.Gerald
          Veterans List
          • Oct 2009
          • 6474

          If Campbell does get bid on by the hawks that would be interesting re points def
          "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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          • MattW
            Veterans List
            • May 2011
            • 4195

            Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
            Hollands at 6?

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            • Auntie.Gerald
              Veterans List
              • Oct 2009
              • 6474

              i suppose the hawks cant take on board another player that has had a full recon
              patton
              Scully
              Tom
              jager
              hollands?

              or can they?

              campbell plays like a player that suits a hawks style of uncontested footy........wonderful long raking left kick
              "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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              • Markwebbos
                Veterans List
                • Jul 2016
                • 7186

                Originally posted by MattW
                Hollands at 6?
                I can’t see that happening. On a “best available” basis he’d surely go top4.

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                • dejavoodoo44
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 8494

                  Originally posted by Ludwig
                  Cal Twomey had us taking Sam Flanders, as did many others. Stephens was rated pick 9. It was really not that far off the mark. Maybe personality swayed the Swans to take Stephens instead of Flanders. I wouldn't say it was a left field pick.

                  We've already mooted that we are in the market for a key forward, so McDonald and Thilthorpe would be top of the list. After that, it's not clear, but Hollands looks to be the best player that would be available. He can play forward, but is undersized for a key forward. Like Richmond before Lynch, it's possible to have a very potent forward line with only one key forward, and a lot of other shorter options. I think we can do the same.

                  There's always next year's draft to hone in on a key forward, if we don't land one this year.

                  If we don't draft a key forward, we give McLean and Amartey another year, hopefully playing competitive football, to show if they can develop into AFL level forwards. I would say they're both 50-50 shots. So maybe one will make it. Maybe we won't need a key forward after all.
                  Yes, I strongly suspect that Dylan's personality was a factor. He seems a very amenable chap. I also think that we've looked at Richmond's success and concluded that a major reason for that success, are runners that can get to contest after contest; and who by their weight of numbers, can convert 50/50 contests to 75/25 contests. So, outside run may be a priority.

                  And it will be interesting to see if either McLean or Amartey make the grade. If McLean gets an injury free preseason for the first time, he could have a very good year, as the second or third tall forward. So far, his marking and competitiveness have been very good, it's just his mobility has let him down. So, if he can significantly improve his tank, he should keep his spot on the list.

                  Amartey may have a tougher path? In the 2019 NEAFL season, he impressed me most a key defender. Which is an area that we don't really need back up. So now he needs to impress as a back up ruck or key forward, but unfortunately, he's not really big enough for a ruckman, or mobile enough for a KPF. Maybe if he gets a chance to specialize?

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                  • Scottee
                    Senior Player
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 1585

                    Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                    Yes, I strongly suspect that Dylan's personality was a factor. He seems a very amenable chap. I also think that we've looked at Richmond's success and concluded that a major reason for that success, are runners that can get to contest after contest; and who by their weight of numbers, can convert 50/50 contests to 75/25 contests. So, outside run may be a priority.

                    And it will be interesting to see if either McLean or Amartey make the grade. If McLean gets an injury free preseason for the first time, he could have a very good year, as the second or third tall forward. So far, his marking and competitiveness have been very good, it's just his mobility has let him down. So, if he can significantly improve his tank, he should keep his spot on the list.

                    Amartey may have a tougher path? In the 2019 NEAFL season, he impressed me most a key defender. Which is an area that we don't really need back up. So now he needs to impress as a back up ruck or key forward, but unfortunately, he's not really big enough for a ruckman, or mobile enough for a KPF. Maybe if he gets a chance to specialize?
                    On Amartey, he is actually quite quick and can run very close to a 3 second 20m. His tank isn't bad either.

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                    We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!

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                    • lwjoyner
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 942

                      maybe grainger-barrass is why we let Ali go. Just a thought, can we down grade the likes of E Taylor (to at least be trying to hep him) Sam Gray, Naismith etc to the rookie list to promote McLean,Bell and Amerty to main list to get to the required numbers. Still pay them what they are contracted for.

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                      • 707
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6204

                        I think the mid season draft/s next year are going to be huge. Available for selection will be 19yo that didn't play this year and didn't get picked up in the ND that would have been draft bolters if they'd played U18 this year.

                        Most clubs will leave a vacancy on their list, particularly those with the high Mid Season draft picks, Crows, Norf, US & Hawks.

                        Whatever ideas we may dream up, you know that the club has it all worked out far better than us, this includes where Campbell and Gulden are likely to attract bids, what to do about potential points deficits, Paddy McCartin, who to take at pick 3, Mid Season draft, Pre Season additions etc.

                        Three weeks to go folks

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                        • Thunder Shaker
                          Aut vincere aut mori
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 4160

                          Originally posted by MattW
                          Hollands at 6?
                          I would take all of these with a grain of salt. ESPN seem to be a bit different to the others with their rankings and the draft rationale is also a bit different.

                          There's an ESPN ranking list from September that had DGB at 15.

                          Top 10 from that ranking list (out of 20):

                          1. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
                          2. Logan McDonald
                          3. Will Phillips
                          4. Elijah Hollands
                          5. Tanner Bruhn
                          6. Riley Thilthorpe
                          7. Braeden Campbell (Sydney Academy)
                          8. Reef McInnes (Collingwood Next Generation Academy)
                          9. Finlay Macrae
                          10. Lachlan Jones (Port Adelaide - Next Generation Academy)

                          Denver Grainger-Barras at 15, Errol Gulden not mentioned.
                          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                          • MattW
                            Veterans List
                            • May 2011
                            • 4195

                            Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                            I would take all of these with a grain of salt. ESPN seem to be a bit different to the others with their rankings and the draft rationale is also a bit different.

                            There's an ESPN ranking list from September that had DGB at 15.

                            Top 10 from that ranking list (out of 20):

                            1. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
                            2. Logan McDonald
                            3. Will Phillips
                            4. Elijah Hollands
                            5. Tanner Bruhn
                            6. Riley Thilthorpe
                            7. Braeden Campbell (Sydney Academy)
                            8. Reef McInnes (Collingwood Next Generation Academy)
                            9. Finlay Macrae
                            10. Lachlan Jones (Port Adelaide - Next Generation Academy)

                            Denver Grainger-Barras at 15, Errol Gulden not mentioned.
                            I take Doerre's analysis with less than a grain of salt.

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                            • barry
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 8499

                              Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                              List of NGA and F/S prospects, from Twomey's November form guide:

                              #1 Jamarra Ugle-Hagan - Western Bulldogs NGA
                              #8 Braeden Campbell - Sydney Swans Academy
                              #9 Lachie Jones - Port Adelaide NGA
                              #14 Alex Davies - Gold Coast Academy (can be pre-listed by the Suns)
                              #18 Joel Jeffrey - Gold Coast Academy (can be pre-listed by the Suns)
                              #20 Reef McInnes - Collingwood NGA
                              #22 Errol Gulden - Sydney Swans Academy
                              #23 Connor Downie - Hawthorn NGA


                              Sydney Swans: 3, 31, 34, 43, 60 (3906) - use one pick before matching bids on Braeden Campbell and Errol Gulden
                              If you believe that order, then we are going into the draft with picks 3, 8, and 22.

                              The academy system really is a big advantage for us. It's only bloody buddy's contact that has caused us to fall down the ladder ( by losing other players,)

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                              • Nico
                                Veterans List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 11329

                                Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                                I would take all of these with a grain of salt. ESPN seem to be a bit different to the others with their rankings and the draft rationale is also a bit different.

                                There's an ESPN ranking list from September that had DGB at 15.

                                Top 10 from that ranking list (out of 20):

                                1. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
                                2. Logan McDonald
                                3. Will Phillips
                                4. Elijah Hollands
                                5. Tanner Bruhn
                                6. Riley Thilthorpe
                                7. Braeden Campbell (Sydney Academy)
                                8. Reef McInnes (Collingwood Next Generation Academy)
                                9. Finlay Macrae
                                10. Lachlan Jones (Port Adelaide - Next Generation Academy)

                                Denver Grainger-Barras at 15, Errol Gulden not mentioned.
                                What this tells us is that 18 clubs will look at draftees differently, bar the top few. What recruiters look for in a player will vary greatly. eg. Terry "The Wallet" Wallace said Sam Mitchell was too slow and he got overlooked in his draft year. My son played against Sam for 4 years and I ran the boundary all that time. He and Damian Cupido (who played for us) were head and shoulders above the rest in the Eastern Football League Junior comp all that time. I marvelled at the consummate ease in which he found the footy, knew where to run and read the play. In the end 15 clubs missed a rolled gold opportunity.

                                Who can forget Adam Goodes going at no.45 after kicking 6 goals in the Tac Cup GF. My brother who was there raved about him after that game and was ecstatic when we drafted him. And our master stoke 2 years ago when we traded picks to get Rowbottom and McInerney. If these boys don't play 200 games for us I'll eat my hat.

                                KB has got it right a lot of times.

                                Lets see what rabbit he pulls out of the hat on draft day.
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