2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[bloodspirit]

I reckon he will be a chance to be rookied . Swans are up to something fair chance we are into a delisted free agent , there is also some talk on big footy that we’re looking to trade next years first pick for gold coasts this year


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That's exciting! I'd do that deal. I know next year's meant to be a stronger draft, but mostly that means it's deeper rather than necessarily better top end talent. Plus I'm backing us to finish better than 13th next season. Pick 6 this year could get us Tanner Bruhn, or possibly even Thilthorpe depending on how things go. We'd have to wait and do it as a live trade on the night to be sure (a) we don't burn the pick matching a bid for Campbell (unlikely - only Hawthorn could bid on him and I don't think they will); and (b) that way we'll know for sure who we can get. Gold Coast are guaranteed two good players in this years draft already and are overflowing in young talent and it could suit them to push their pick to next year. Two questions:

1. Are Gold Coast allowed to trade that pick? I remember reading they have a pick that they are not allowed to trade. I suspect it's not pick 5 because that's the one they "earned" through their finish on the table. But it was a relatively high pick and I don't think they have any other first rounders.

2. Why would Gold Coast do that trade? Wouldn't someone else be able to offer them a more attractive pick swap e.g. North or Adelaide or even Hawthorn - all of whom will probably finish below us next year but need more players this year more than we do.

[bloodspirit]

9 delisted, 1 traded, one recruited. We started with 46 on our list now we are on 37 with a max list size of 44. I still think we will punt ET, so assuming no more delistings we will be on 36 heading into national draft.

I suspect the plan will be 3 in ND, 2 rookies then keep 1-3 spots open for anyone who impresses thereafter.

One of us has miscalculated. I make 38 on the list with 8 delisted: Thurlow, Foot, Maibaum, Reynolds, Stoddart, Rowles, Fox, Knoll. Who is the 9th?

[rb4x]

It would be good if another club would take Gray as a DFA but can't see that happening. Would clear a rookie spot for someone more promising.

[Steve]

My guess, assumes JUH is out of the equation

Thilthorpe to Crows
Hollands to North
Sydney get McDonald
Phillips to Hawks

Hard to go past Hollands as he has more X Factor and reckon North will be more than happy for him to take longer to get his knee right

Crows have a tough decision to make as consensus is that McDonald is the much better prospect - so is it wise to just take the safe local product anyway, or will it haunt you if it turns into a Jack Watts scenario?

We certainly don't want Crows to take McDonald and then North take Hollands. I would hope to get McDonald, if he's gone then the best midfielder.

I would suspect Essendon will have a pre-draft agreement with North - that if Adelaide take Thilthorpe, they'll offer two of picks 6-8 for pick 2 to get McDonald. But if Adelaide take McDonald, no trade. Only reason for North to not agree to that is if they are desperate for someone like Hollands.

I wouldn't be totally surprised if we re-drafted or rookied Fox, and possibly at least one more out of guys like Stoddart and Foot. It does make some sense to leave at least a couple of spots open for next year given the more flexible rules, but leaving as many list spots as possible open going into the draft means more nominal picks which can chew up more points for the academy bids.

[SwanSand]

Not to harp on about it, but if we'd taken Serong this year, he would arguably already be our third best midfielder.

Well Serong is good but may not offer a point of difference to others on offer when you could look at the future and our ladder position as predicted.
I am sure KB would have realised that our ladder position is not going to be high and there would be plenty of players on offer similar to Serong. Campbell/Rowbottom/Stephens/Gulden and if we choose a midfielder with Pick 3 would cover him easily.
But each of those that we have selected have a point of difference. The hard midfielders who can do the inside roles are available in the middle of the draft too. We selected a player who had high endurance, Good kicking game and Inside outside role player with our pick 5. And we did well I think. But again only time will tell.

[Ralph Dawg]

One of us has miscalculated. I make 38 on the list with 8 delisted: Thurlow, Foot, Maibaum, Reynolds, Stoddart, Rowles, Fox, Knoll. Who is the 9th?

Sorry, my bad. I was going off AFL.com which has Gray listed as a delist, which technically he is but we have commited to taking him as a Rookie. Imagine if Adelaide or North swooped in and took him - very unlikely but would solve a big recruitment error from last year...............

[longmile]

Getting rid of Fox is pathetic. I'm quickly becoming very disillusioned with what the club is doing, and has done for the past few years.

How Ling, Ronke and ET are on the list ahead of him is a crime.

Absolutely. Fox was most improved for mine last year. I thought he had saved his career and had become a really good defender. Keeping ling, amartey and ET (who mightnt actually be able to get rid of this year) ahead of him astounds me. I thought Fox was even a chance to be in our best starting 22 next year ahead of melican and brand

[707]

We can mull over the list changes all we like and offer opinions good and bad but I tell you that the club knows the EXACT situation and is making decisions accordingly. The club knows who we are adding/not adding like McCartin as a DFA or Papley Jnr as a very late ND pick or rookie. The club knows which other clubs have had serious discussions with potential draftees. The club knows what type of pick swaps or left field pick swaps are available and that will include 2020 picks and 2021 picks.

We are saying we like or don't like what is happening without knowing this. I trust the club to make the right decisions given all circumstances including whether players are interested in joining us. It will all be much clearer by mid December.

Gray is contracted for next year, albeit now on the Rookie List to free up another main list spot. Other delistings didn't have contracts, we chose to give 2021 contracts recently to Armartey, Ling and someone else? so they are obviously seen as the most likely of the uncontracted players

[bloodspirit]

I mostly agree, 707. The other recontracting was Melican.

Why do people keep talking about Papley Jr? Is there any known reason for drafting him based on talent rather than sentiment or shrewdness (in terms of keeping Tom happy)? TBH, I'll be surprised if we draft him.

[The Runner]

Getting rid of Fox is pathetic. I'm quickly becoming very disillusioned with what the club is doing, and has done for the past few years.

How Ling, Ronke and ET are on the list ahead of him is a crime.

They don't have a choice regarding ET until a few weeks time, and list lodgement is due tomorrow.
Ling is worth persisting with. Ronke, I agree with you.

[Aaron]

Very disappointed that the versatile and improving Fox has been ruthlessly de-listed. Hope that another team will pick him up. Will John Blakey recommend him to the Kangs? On the other hand, Ronke is extremely lucky. Except the first few games, he has not been performing well in his pressure small forward role( which I think Fox can also perform!). Hope that our list management staff has got it right this time and prove us wrong.

[stevoswan]

Fox, Foot and Thurlow gone. Gray to rookie list to accommodate contract.

Fox is VERY unlucky.

Swans make further list changes

I was confident Fox would be retained......I agree that after his 2020 season, he is stiff to be let go.

[barry]

Fox would be a good chance to be picked up by someone else I think.
He could fill a hole in a good side.

[Steve]

We can mull over the list changes all we like and offer opinions good and bad but I tell you that the club knows the EXACT situation and is making decisions accordingly ...

We are saying we like or don't like what is happening without knowing this. I trust the club to make the right decisions given all circumstances including whether players are interested in joining us. It will all be much clearer by mid December.

You're right, but I think that is the only reason a site like this exists though, isn't it? Of course the club are making decisions with more info than any of us have, so it is only opinions from a distance that we are sharing. Although the club can still make wrong or poor decisions.

[Thunder Shaker]

1. Are Gold Coast allowed to trade that pick? I remember reading they have a pick that they are not allowed to trade. I suspect it's not pick 5 because that's the one they "earned" through their finish on the table. But it was a relatively high pick and I don't think they have any other first rounders.

Gold Coast have a priority pick at the start of the second round in next year's draft that they are not allowed to trade.