2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[i'm-uninformed2]

I agree that King is a more exciting prospect - but less attainable. He will cost more at the trade table (and probably $$ too) and he is more likely to want to return to Victoria if he leaves the Suns - and he has a lot of suitors with deep pockets there. Better to target the slightly less hyped Lukosius who might actually be gettable. I think the Crows will come hard for Lukosius too but hopefully we can beat them out by being closer to success. Could come down to whether Adelaide/SA exerts a pull on Lukosius or not (or, more likely, whether he just wants to stick with the Suns).

Fair enough, and it's hard to judge Lukosius in some ways.

He does some neat things, and has truly exceptional kicking skills. But he also looks a little languid at times. It's hard to know if he is suffering from Gold Coast's chronic inability to develop young players, or he's just going to be a good, rather than a great player. The Swans would want to get a good feel for that before recruiting him at some expense.

[707]

Mmmm . . . show me Ben King and I'm interested - though it'd take more than two late first round picks.

Yes, the first picks of the Premiers and the Runner Up may not get the deal done :-)

Not sure about all the Phantom Drafts having us taking Brown, he seems a bit beige to me! It looks like so many of the media's Phantoms just wait for Twomey to go up then they just plagurise it by moving a few of the teens picks around. Let's face it, most of the footy media have never seen the draftees play. It only needs a GWS, GC, Crows to pick someone a bit left field and the whole expected order collapses.

Reckon the selections will be all over the place, and lots of pick swapping as well, that pick swap bell they clang every time a pick trade is done will get a work out.

[707]

GWS have done the gentlemanly thing and informed Dogs that they are bidding on Darcy at Pick 2.

If Norf don't bid on Daicos at pick 1, Dogs will need 2013 points to match the bid at pick 2. Dogs are trading pick 23 to someone, supposedly Geelong to find some extra points. It will obviously mean one of Geelongs 30, 32, 34 or two of will be part of the deal.

[TheBloods]

GWS have done the gentlemanly thing and informed Dogs that they are bidding on Darcy at Pick 2.

If Norf don't bid on Daicos at pick 1, Dogs will need 2013 points to match the bid at pick 2. Dogs are trading pick 23 to someone, supposedly Geelong to find some extra points. It will obviously mean one of Geelongs 30, 32, 34 or two of will be part of the deal.

In English please , what are 2013 points

[707]

In English please , what are 2013 points

The amount of draft points the Dogs need to hold to be able to match the GWS bid at pick 2. The five picks Dogs currently hold 23, 43, 44, 45, 52 total 2148 draft points so they will lose all of those picks to match the GWS bid.

[Maltopia]

In English please , what are 2013 points

Pick 1 is worth/assigned 3,000 points, Pick 2 assigned 2517, Pick 3 assigned 2,234, Pick 4 assigned 2,034 and so forth. Our pick 16 (before it slides back) is assigned 1,067 points.

Means Dogs are needing to give up the equivalent of about a Pick 4 (close to 2,013 required) if they match the GWS bid. They don't have to match the full points value of a number 2 bid (2,517) as Father/Son selections get a discount for the club to encourage them to pick up the father/son for AFL feel good story purposes ("three generations have played for XXX etc")

[stellation]

In English please , what are 2013 points

It makes no sense, they didn't even have the points system for the draft back then!

(I kid, I kid)

[TheBloods]

The amount of draft points the Dogs need to hold to be able to match the GWS bid at pick 2. The five picks Dogs currently hold 23, 43, 44, 45, 52 total 2148 draft points so they will lose all of those picks to match the GWS bid.

Thankyou , i thought you were talking about the year , this draft points business goes over my head , no wonder they need round the clock coverage to cover it all !

[Maltopia]

GWS have done the gentlemanly thing and informed Dogs that they are bidding on Darcy at Pick 2.

If Norf don't bid on Daicos at pick 1, Dogs will need 2013 points to match the bid at pick 2. Dogs are trading pick 23 to someone, supposedly Geelong to find some extra points. It will obviously mean one of Geelongs 30, 32, 34 or two of will be part of the deal.

Are you sure you have that right? If Norf bid on Daicos at 1, and Collingwood match before going for Horne-Francis, and GWS still go for Darcy, won't Dogs still need 2,013 points to match the bid. It just means the Daicos bids remove the Collingwood bids early and some of the Dog's picks move up and are worth more points to them.

So my summary if I am correct: Dogs need 2,013 points to match GWS bid at 2 regardless of whether Norf bid on Daicos or not. If North bid on Daicos, then Dogs are advantaged as their later picks will be worth more due to Collingwood using up their picks? So Dogs (well everyone really apart from Collingwood) to bid on Daicos at 1 to make Collingwood give up maximum points/picks so later picks slide up.

[Aprilbr]

Thankyou , i thought you were talking about the year , this draft points business goes over my head , no wonder they need round the clock coverage to cover it all !

TB,

The draft points for each selection are found at the link below (first article). Essentially, it has been calculated statistically on the basis of the recent history of each draft pick and what their earnings go on to be on average at different age levels. People are now doing PhDs on this kind of stuff!

afl draft points table - Google Search

[liz]

So my summary if I am correct: Dogs need 2,013 points to match GWS bid at 2 regardless of whether Norf bid on Daicos or not. If North bid on Daicos, then Dogs are advantaged as their later picks will be worth more due to Collingwood using up their picks? So Dogs (well everyone really apart from Collingwood) to bid on Daicos at 1 to make Collingwood give up maximum points/picks so later picks slide up.

If North were to bid on Daicos (I think it's clear they won't), the Giants' bid on Darcy would come in at pick 3, not pick 2. So they would need fewer points to match.

[TheBloods]

TB,

The draft points for each selection are found at the link below (first article). Essentially, it has been calculated statistically on the basis of the recent history of each draft pick and what their earnings go on to be on average at different age levels. People are now doing PhDs on this kind of stuff!

afl draft points table - Google Search

Thanks , makes a bit of sense. its out of control , its the matching of bids etc that makes it complicated . Didnt i read somewhere that they were getting rid of academy selections and being able to match bids on them ?

[liz]

Thanks , makes a bit of sense. its out of control , its the matching of bids etc that makes it complicated . Didnt i read somewhere that they were getting rid of academy selections and being able to match bids on them ?

NG academy only, and only within the first couple of rounds. This year, no NG academy prospect can be matched within the first 20 picks. Most can be matched if a bid appears outside that range. (But, to make things more complicated, not if the player is indigenous and from a SA or WA metro region. Bids for them can be matched if they arrive after pick 40).

From next year's draft, no bids for NG players can be matched within the first 40 picks. After that, the bid doesn't have to be matched by points, but just by the club's next available pick.

At this stage the Northern Academies aren't affected. We'll see how long that lasts (especially if McGuire finds his way onto the AFL Commission).

[bloodspirit]

Fox Footy's updated Phantom Draft: AFL phantom draft 2021 | Phantom mock draft AFL 2021 Fox Footy: Predictions, news, analysis, draft order (foxsports.com.au).

If this is right and we miss out on both Johnson and Erasmus due to our pick swap with Port I'll be spewing.

[bloodspirit]

I wonder what we would need to give the Giants to be able to swap our pick 16 for their pick 13 if it would enable us to get Erasmus? I'd be be keen for that deal. What about 16, 39 & 64 for 13, 53 & 70?