2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[111431]

Ladhams will be third in line once the Crayfish is back.

that won't happen

[707]

I don't really understand the Swans' purported interest in Ladhams, nor Ladhams purported interest in Sydney.

Playing second ruck at Port, will play second ruck at the Swans, and certainly not for the type of pick Port are asking for!

Getting a bit worried now that this off season is becoming a shambles

[rb4x]

Hayes was B&F for the Port Magpies. Can't be too bad.

[Markwebbos]

See Damian B is reporting Rory Lobb heading back to the Giants!

[Meg]

Ladhams will be third in line once the Crayfish is back.

Sam agrees with you.

“Down, not out. I’ll be back.” @naismith10 instagram 4 Oct 2021

[rickmat]

Wishful thinking from Sam. Has missed too much footy, his body not up to rigors of AFL footy, and not good for his future health

[bloodspirit]

Sam agrees with you.

“Down, not out. I’ll be back.” @naismith10 instagram 4 Oct 2021

Wow. I was about to post some kind of LOL response to The Big Cat. But that's exactly the same sort of thing that AJ was posting all the way until he was delisted and beyond. What else the Cray say?

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RE: Ladhams

I did hear the bit about the final year of his salary clarified - can't remember who now - they said that the final year of the contract was not? $600K (as had apparently been rumoured) but in the $400Ks. Still handsome coin.

I take Ludwig's point about planning for post-Buddy in the front half - but I'm unconvinced. Buddy may go on. McDonald will be in his 3rd year by 2023. We can draft (or trade next year) for more young forwards and McLean could be a big body in the front half to take the heat of Logan while he's still developing.

Incidentally, I'm still thinking we - not the SA clubs - should be the ones making a big play for Lukosius next year (or even this one if the Suns would consider it - and they really shouldn't). I hope we're talking to his management now. Lukosius + McDonald would give us a big chunk of spine for a decade.

Really hope we deem Paddy McCartin draftable and pick him up. Perfectly fits a need if he's good to go.

[The Big Cat]

Adelaide Advertiser reporting (behind paywall) that the Crows pick from Melbourne might help unlock a final(?) offer to Sydney for Dawson. I wonder why they think Swans might take what looks like a worse offer than the one they refused (pick 17 from the dogs) this year. Or are they contemplating putting their own 2022 first rounder on table believing it will be significantly less valuable than their pick 4 this year?

[lwjoyner]

'll say it again, if we take ladhams with his high final year preice (so its been said) and for a first rounder, you have to be joking

[Markwebbos]

Adelaide Advertiser reporting (behind paywall) that the Crows pick from Melbourne might help unlock a final(?) offer to Sydney for Dawson. I wonder why they think Swans might take what looks like a worse offer than the one they refused (pick 17 from the dogs) this year. Or are they contemplating putting their own 2022 first rounder on table believing it will be significantly less valuable than their pick 4 this year?

That piece reads like Ricciuto wrote it.

There must have been discussions between the two clubs since the mega-trade yesterday that removed pick 17 as an option. I don't understand why the Crows would take a future pick when they could have got their hands on pick 17 this year, given they are rebuilding ... unless there is a consensus that 2022 picks are worth significantly more than those this year. When you look at what the Suns have done that might explain it.

That could explain why Melbourne's future 1st rounder might be the basis of any deal?

As an aside, I wonder if we say to JD, "PSD or Port?" which he would choose?

[Markwebbos]

This JD situation is making me frantic (in case you hadn't noticed). Really hope it gets resolved before deadline day! I now see that Carlton are looking to trade away their future first in return for a first rounder this year.

Please KB, I really hope you know what you are doing?!?

[TheBloods]

This JD situation is making me frantic (in case you hadn't noticed). Really hope it gets resolved before deadline day! I now see that Carlton are looking to trade away their future first in return for a first rounder this year.

Please KB, I really hope you know what you are doing?!?

Relax , Beatson is not sitting around twiddling his thumbs , he will be working with the rest to get the best outcome for us . Pre season draft has F d us over a bit so only so much he can do , but he will do it . Usually im the one being told to be glass half full !

[i'm-uninformed2]

Adelaide Advertiser reporting (behind paywall) that the Crows pick from Melbourne might help unlock a final(?) offer to Sydney for Dawson. I wonder why they think Swans might take what looks like a worse offer than the one they refused (pick 17 from the dogs) this year. Or are they contemplating putting their own 2022 first rounder on table believing it will be significantly less valuable than their pick 4 this year?

Possibly depends on what it comes with. My understanding of the pick 17 offer was it came with something like them asking for our future second back for their future third. Like, go screw yourself.

If Melbourne's 2022 R1 comes with Adelaide's R2, that's worth thinking about.

We can keep the future R2 for Academy, and then see if we can use the future R1 to trade back in for another R1 pick in this year's draft. Say, a swap of pick 18 this year from Brisbane for that future R1, given Brisbane have an elite father son coming next year. Just spit balling here, and may require some other latter stuff to grease the wheels, but you can start to see it working for us.

[troyjones2525]

I'll expand my thoughts:

- Hayes is pretty much untried. Other than him, Port - in a premiership window - have no back-up for Ladhams were Lycett to get injured. (Finlayson isn't a ruckman - he's a mediocre forward.) So if Port are have told the contracted Ladhams to look around, that suggests to me they don't think he's much chop.

- From Ladhams's perspective, if he comes to the Swans he won't walk into the number one ruck spot. He'll have to prove he's better than Hickey. Given what Hickey showed he can do in 2021, that's a significant challenge.

- Sure, Hickey is 31 but he's only 18 months older than Lycett. And they've played a similar amount of games, so if wear and tear is the biggest deal for a ruckman, rather than age, per se, it isn't apparent that Ladhams's route to the number one ruck spot will be opened up any sooner at Sydney than at Port. As points of reference, Mumford is 35 and thinks he can still go around again. Dean Cox was still playing good footy when he retired at 33. Paul Salmon played into his mid 30s. (He actually had one season aged 37, but it was just the one season.)

- From the Swans' perspective, as others have wondered out loud, what function does Sinclair have if we get another ready-to-go ruck like Ladhams? And what about McLean and Armatey? Are they going to be blocked from opportunities to play as a tall forward and relief ruckman? Both have goal-per-game career records just as good as Ladhams, albeit on a very small sample in Amartey's case. Amartey, I believe, is more than capable of playing as an effective relief ruckman so long as he can stave away injuries. McLean's ruck credentials are less evident but he showed improvement as the year went on.

- I realise the "no dickhead" policy is a bit of a furphy, but I take a pretty dim view of the intelligence and/or selflessness and/or discipline of those players who disregarded COVID restrictions over the past 18 months. Those restrictions were put in place to give the competition the best chance of continuing in challenging circumstances so, regardless of one's (or my) personal thoughts on society's response to COVID, disregarding those restrictions was a slap in the face to team mates, staff and everyone involved in the sport. There are dickheads and then there are dickheads.


I don't see the need to go for Ladhams this year just because he's available. Heaps of rucks change club every year. There will be another half-dozen or more available next trade period.

I think Ladhams could flourish into a good #1 ruckman, a bit of a Mumford type if we give him the chance. McLean IMO is really not the savour going forward as even a key forward. With the players we have on our list, I feel he should become depth, similar to Sinclair now. I would much prefer Amarty to become our future relief ruckman/forward behind Ladhams as our main ruck long term.

Hickey should get the opportunity to start next year but if Ladhams shows more then so be it. Big Tom will go the way of Sinkers and become good depth...

Yes Port are obviously shopping him but they are obviously confident in their other young ruck to perhaps be even better! We don't have that luxury! All we really have right now as a genuine ruck is Hickey, Sinclair, a sadly broken down Naismith (who could have been anything...) and McAndrew who on what limited vision I've seen looks extremely clumsy and lacking basic skills... not a lot there to be honest for a team pushing for a flag in the next few years.

I say have a crack at Ladhams, give him the opportunity he wants to lead the ruck division and hopefully it becomes another Mummy like success story!

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[troyjones2525]

Max Lynch and Nick Bryan have been mentioned on here in previous pages. Lloyd Meek from Fremantle, or a very left field idea of Brayden Crossley (ex-Suns ruckman who served a 12 month ban for having a cocaine metabolite in his system, which has since been removed from the banned list). All of them are rucks first and other positions second.

None of them are better than Ladhams IMO.

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