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  • barry
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 8499

    Originally posted by Velour&Ruffles
    Are you seriously contending that if there was no contact then Greene's actions were OK?
    Why should the umpire have to take evasive action in those circumstances? The umpire was standing still and Greene was the one walking towards him.
    Your argument is the equivalent of defending the tactic, much loved by siblings, of windmilling the arms and walking towards the other saying "get out of the way, it's your fault if you get hit".
    All I'm contending is that there was no contact, if very very light brush with the hand. What was stevic doing standing still in the middle of players in the first place.?
    A fine is appropriate, but really for what? Arguing with an umpire is at worst a free kick.

    Remember when roos sent Barry hall to the ump's at half time to complain about the free kick count. That was pretty demonstrative and aggressive.

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    • snajik
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2003
      • 1115

      Originally posted by Roadrunner
      Guys, emotions are still too high to allow viewing of the replay, but from memory here’s my take on the missed shots:

      Wilbur: difficult but with his experience should have goaled.
      Wicks: gettable, should have steadied. History of missing these.
      Tom: not easy but gettable.
      Bell: 1st shot: gettable, not too difficult and a very poor kick.
      2nd shot: unbelievable miss and unforgivable
      Buddy: gettable for him- very poor with a couple of minutes to go- should have kicked it with his experience.

      Got that off my chest, so I thought I would assess our team and others who played over a pretty good season:

      Harry: good
      Melican: average at best
      Ramps: good
      JMac: good
      McCartin: good
      Lloyd: average plus
      Dawson: very good- excellent
      Joey: good
      Ollie: average
      Paps: very good
      Buddy: very good- excellent
      Wilbur: good
      Errol: very good
      Sammy: good
      Mc Lean: average plus, limited games.
      Fox: average
      Hickey: excellent
      Mills: excellent
      Parks: excellent
      George: very good
      Heeney: very good- excellent
      Blakey: very good once moved to HB
      Campbell: limited games, average
      Amartey: as above
      Logan: as above
      Stephens: as above, below average.
      COR: as above, average
      Bell: poor
      Wicks: below average
      Chad: missed a lot of games, but good.



      Hope I haven’t missed anyone- let me know if I have.
      My conclusion is that to be contenders for a flag, we need to have all our players “good” or above. We can have 1 or 2 as average plus at most, and certainly no one below.

      Clearly, yesterday’s team selection was wrong but the list is looking ok. Players assessed as “ average” need to improve next year and with smart recruiting 2022 will see us in the frame.
      #8

      I reckom JMac and Wilbur were better than good, and Fox was at least good.
      It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
      The Scarlatti Tilt - Richard Brautigan

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      • bandwagon
        Regular in the Side
        • May 2003
        • 531

        Originally posted by Roadrunner
        Lloyd: average plus
        Hi Roadrunner, I agreed with nearly all of your post, but I must protest your harsh mark for Lloyd - I'd have him Good to Very Good. His performance yesterday is pretty much in line with his year as a whole - 21 disposals at 95% disposal efficiency, no clangers, no turnovers, always providing an outlet for the other defenders and having one of the best taggers in the game on your back.
        I admit I am Lloyd fanboy.

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        • O'Reilly Boy
          Warming the Bench
          • Feb 2014
          • 474

          Originally posted by bandwagon
          Hi Roadrunner, I agreed with nearly all of your post, but I must protest your harsh mark for Lloyd - I'd have him Good to Very Good. His performance yesterday is pretty much in line with his year as a whole - 21 disposals at 95% disposal efficiency, no clangers, no turnovers, always providing an outlet for the other defenders and having one of the best taggers in the game on your back.
          I admit I am Lloyd fanboy.
          Wicks was far better than 'below average'.

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          • Roadrunner
            Senior Player
            • Jan 2018
            • 1480

            Originally posted by bandwagon
            Hi Roadrunner, I agreed with nearly all of your post, but I must protest your harsh mark for Lloyd - I'd have him Good to Very Good. His performance yesterday is pretty much in line with his year as a whole - 21 disposals at 95% disposal efficiency, no clangers, no turnovers, always providing an outlet for the other defenders and having one of the best taggers in the game on your back.
            I admit I am Lloyd fanboy.
            Hi Bandwagon,
            You could be right re Lloyd- I was tempted to move him as you suggest as he had heaps of possessions over the season but often frustrates with hospital disposals. But happy to upgrade him as he did improve his kicking towards the end.

            Same can be applied to Wilbur and Fox, as suggested- however they both have tendencies to go missing in games like Wilbur yesterday and Fox had a few shockers in between some solid games.

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            • Nolie
              On the wing
              • Jul 2004
              • 522

              Have not seen anyone comment on Harry Cunningham’s game. Thought he played well and was consistent all year.
              Another thing: some of the grammar on these comments need improving . There are at least three examples of “Would of” or “Should of”in these threads. You are confusing the verb “have” with the preposition “of”. So “would of” is “would have” , “could of” is “could have”, “should of” is “should have”.
              If you are confused just use the shortened version should’ve.

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              • mcs
                Travelling Swannie!!
                • Jul 2007
                • 8166

                Originally posted by Nolie
                Have not seen anyone comment on Harry Cunningham’s game. Thought he played well and was consistent all year.
                Another thing: some of the grammar on these comments need improving . There are at least three examples of “Would of” or “Should of”in these threads. You are confusing the verb “have” with the preposition “of”. So “would of” is “would have” , “could of” is “could have”, “should of” is “should have”.
                If you are confused just use the shortened version should’ve.
                Or perhaps we should just recognise this is an internet forum, and in broad terms as long as the meaning is relatively clear, it probably does not matter so much!

                Back on point, I thought Harry had a great year, and should comfortably finish in the top 10 when it comes to the B&F.
                "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                • 0918330512
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 1654

                  Originally posted by Nolie
                  Another thing: some of the grammar on these comments need improving . There are at least three examples of “Would of” or “Should of”in these threads. You are confusing the verb “have” with the preposition “of”. So “would of” is “would have” , “could of” is “could have”, “should of” is “should have”.
                  If you are confused just use the shortened version should’ve.
                  Thank goodness someone is calling this butchering of the English language out! It’s a pet peeve of mine that people write like that. Is bad enough that people actually talk like that, but if they mumble, they might get away with poor pronunciation. Poor written expression is almost inexcusable.
                  Originally posted by mcs
                  tOr perhaps we should just recognise this is an internet forum, and in broad terms as long as the meaning is relatively clear, it probably does not matter so much!
                  -1

                  It starts with forgiving poor written expression on a forum and before you know it society degenerates into expressive idiocy

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                  • stevoswan
                    Veterans List
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 8557

                    Originally posted by barry
                    It's so easy to get caught up in the Toby hysteria. Slowmo camera shows he didn't even touch Stevic. Stevic pulled his shoulder back to get out of the way of Toby.

                    https://mobile.twitter.com/BrentonSp...EqQ7TPvfa9AmfM
                    Again I ask 'so it's up to the umpire to move out of an approaching players way?' No it isn't....he still should be suspended. If he isn't, players will have a precedent set that they can beeline for an umpire in a threatening manner and walk right through them....if the umpire doesn't move first. Umpires, whether it's Stevic or not, are SACROSANCT....you cannot touch them or threaten them in any way.

                    May I suggest you 'be true to yourself' Barry....and start supporting GWS. As a Swans fan, it appears you're living a lie.

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                    • 0918330512
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 1654

                      Originally posted by stevoswan
                      Again I ask 'so it's up to the umpire to move out of an approaching players way?' No it isn't....he still should be suspended. If he isn't, players will have a precedent set that they can beeline for an umpire in a threatening manner and walk right through them....if the umpire doesn't move first. Umpires, whether it's Stevic or not, are SACROSANCT....you cannot touch them or threaten them in any way.

                      May I suggest you 'be true to yourself' Barry....and start supporting GWS. As a Swans fan, it appears you're living a lie.
                      It’s like the guy who drove through Bourke St Mall saying it was the pedestrian’s responsibility to jump out of the way of his car

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                      • stevoswan
                        Veterans List
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 8557

                        Originally posted by Doctor

                        Roosy always said that you judge a team on its bottom six, not its top six, and the Giants are WAY ahead of of us on that atm. We finished ahead of them because of their injuries. They have most of them back now and their list is outstanding. Yes I'm angry and frustrated that we lost, especially given that I think we were the better team and should have kicked straight in the fourth quarter, but I will make constructive criticisms and list observations, not turn things into a lynch mob.
                        Some fair points but seriously, they beat us yesterday because of our injuries.....we are the better team.

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                        • stevoswan
                          Veterans List
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 8557

                          Originally posted by Bangalore Swans

                          Wow. People are really starting to get comfortable with the loss of freedom, and governments controlling our whole life’s. Now people on blogs are attempting to quash individual freedoms and right to ones opinion. This attempt to sensor one’s opinion needs to stop.
                          Give it up poor boy.....

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                          • mcs
                            Travelling Swannie!!
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 8166

                            Originally posted by 09183305
                            Thank goodness someone is calling this butchering of the English language out! It’s a pet peeve of mine that people write like that. Is bad enough that people actually talk like that, but if they mumble, they might get away with poor pronunciation. Poor written expression is almost inexcusable.

                            -1

                            It starts with forgiving poor written expression on a forum and before you know it society degenerates into expressive idiocy
                            I feel that I have more important things to worry about in life. But if you want to make that your legacy - then go for your life

                            I would suggest the use of 'inexcusable' is not a very nice way to describe it either. The teaching of grammar in Australian schools is almost an afterthought in the modern cirriculum, and there are plenty of other reasons why someone may not be able to execute high quality written expression. It is not a skill that everybody has, and saying it is almost inexcusable ignores the whole range of reasons why that might be the case.
                            Last edited by mcs; 29 August 2021, 04:37 PM.
                            "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                            • stevoswan
                              Veterans List
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8557

                              Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
                              I’m standing up for the right of posters to have the individual freedom to express an opinion. This outrageous attempt to sensor and cancel TB is a prime example of cancel culture which Piers Morgan is leading a rearguard action against.

                              Let TB and all posters have the right to express their opinions. Don’t get too comfortable with government controls.
                              You have a right to post and everyone has a right to react. Cancel culture? You're as silly as Piers BS.....give it up.

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                              • TheBloods
                                Suspended by the MRP
                                • Feb 2020
                                • 2047

                                Now that fat toad Piers Morgan is being invoked on here, christ

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