2022 List management, trading, drafting

[Kafka's Ghost]

If the club is looking to raid a Roos list lacking motivation and enthusiasm, I wouldn't mind if they asked the question of Thomas. He played some fantastic footy last season but something's not right with him this year. That raises a few flags - in the sense he may not be the most driven, self-motivated player - but a change of scenery would likely do him good.

He and Blakey were the stand-out stars for the Allies squads in the under-age cohort and they always seem to have a D&M chat at the end of Swans Roos games. So I'm guessing they're good mates. Maybe Nick can have a word in Tarryn's ear and persuade him that Sydney would be a great place to resurrect his career. I think Thomas's size and style of play would well complement our existing young midfield brigade.

Speaking of friends, my ears pricked listening to the post-game interview with Tom McCartin on Fox last night. They showed a photo of two young lads showing support for Paddy McCartin in his early St Kilda career. One was Tom and the other Sam Walsh. Asked about the photo, Tom said that Sam was his best mate.

At some point, someone is going to realise there is an error in the "total" formula on the Carlton salary cap spreadsheet, and they might need to offload a player or two in a hurry.

Would love to see Thomas or Walsh in the Red and White, but possibly only the former is a possibility. Thomas looks fed up and uninterested at North.
Agree Carlton are going to have some big cap pressures very soon. If not this year, then next, when both Charlie Curnow and Harry McKay are out of contract.


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[dejavoodoo44]

West Adelaide have five in the top twenty! Need to wait until after the U18 championship is finished to get a clearer picture.

I'm not sure what our needs are this year but we'll probably only take three picks to the ND.

Think we have to upgrade some rookies who have now used up their allowed rookie list period of three years?

Which seems both an achievement and a tragedy for West Adelaide, as their senior side has hardly won a game over the last few seasons.

[Maltopia]

Gould must be pretty substandard not being able to break into this side

This may belong in the recruiting thread, but the Gould non-selection may also point to our much heralded recruiting department getting it wrong again with the higher draft picks that aren't academy.

Who have we drafted in the top 25 that was an open draft pick that has been one of the better picks at that number in the last dozen years?

Too early to call on Campbell and Logan McDonald, but we have had the very inconsistent Florent and Hayward who some of us are very frustrated with, Stephens, Rohan, Dean Towers, Zac Clarke, Tom Mitchell and Rowbottom.

Rowbottom was a decent pick up for 25, though he would not at this stage of his career, be in the starting line up of most of the top 8 teams.

If not for some great rookie picks (Rampe, Lloyd, Papley) and late great second rounders (Tom McCartin, Parker, McInerney, Hannerberry, Hewitt, Membrey though not for us, Aliir Aliir though not for us, Nankervis though not for us) we'd be stuffed.

The other great players for us: Heeney - academy, Mills - academy, Gulden - academy, Blakey - academy, Franklin - trade, Hickey - trade, Paddy - delisted free agent, Tom Mitchell - father/son.

Apart from Parker, who else from our open drafted players would be in our top 12? McInerney you might say before he signed his contract extension. I think that says a lot about our drafting ability.

[H2F]

This may belong in the recruiting thread, but the Gould non-selection may also point to our much heralded recruiting department getting it wrong again with the higher draft picks that aren't academy.

Who have we drafted in the top 25 that was an open draft pick that has been one of the better picks at that number in the last dozen years?

Too early to call on Campbell and Logan McDonald, but we have had the very inconsistent Florent and Hayward who some of us are very frustrated with, Stephens, Rohan, Dean Towers, Zac Clarke, Tom Mitchell and Rowbottom.

Rowbottom was a decent pick up for 25, though he would not at this stage of his career, be in the starting line up of most of the top 8 teams.

If not for some great rookie picks (Rampe, Lloyd, Papley) and late great second rounders (Tom McCartin, Parker, McInerney, Hannerberry, Hewitt, Membrey though not for us, Aliir Aliir though not for us, Nankervis though not for us) we'd be stuffed.

The other great players for us: Heeney - academy, Mills - academy, Gulden - academy, Blakey - academy, Franklin - trade, Hickey - trade, Paddy - delisted free agent, Tom Mitchell - father/son.

Apart from Parker, who else from our open drafted players would be in our top 12? McInerney you might say before he signed his contract extension. I think that says a lot about our drafting ability.

Im happy about how our drafting has gone probably the only one that really got away was Stephens at pick 5 rather than Serong but thats been done to death.

Campbell worries me a little has stagnated from 2021 and doesn't seem to have a role as of yet, Logan no issues of him becoming a good forward.

Our trading has been utterly abysmal since we got Lance Franklin almost a decade ago, Hickey and Paddy the most recent have given us some value but both are short term recruits.

[Kafka's Ghost]

Im happy about how our drafting has gone probably the only one that really got away was Stephens at pick 5 rather than Serong but thats been done to death.

Campbell worries me a little has stagnated from 2021 and doesn't seem to have a role as of yet, Logan no issues of him becoming a good forward.

Our trading has been utterly abysmal since we got Lance Franklin almost a decade ago, Hickey and Paddy the most recent have given us some value but both are short term recruits.

Paddy McCartin is only 26. If he stays fit, he won’t be a short term recruit. Admittedly that’s an “if”, but he could be around for 6-8 years.


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[H2F]

Paddy McCartin is only 26. If he stays fit, he won’t be a short term recruit. Admittedly that’s an “if”, but he could be around for 6-8 years.


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I meant like its really week to week with Paddy any game could be his last with a serious head knock.

[TheBloods]

This may belong in the recruiting thread, but the Gould non-selection may also point to our much heralded recruiting department getting it wrong again with the higher draft picks that aren't academy.

Who have we drafted in the top 25 that was an open draft pick that has been one of the better picks at that number in the last dozen years?

Too early to call on Campbell and Logan McDonald, but we have had the very inconsistent Florent and Hayward who some of us are very frustrated with, Stephens, Rohan, Dean Towers, Zac Clarke, Tom Mitchell and Rowbottom.

Rowbottom was a decent pick up for 25, though he would not at this stage of his career, be in the starting line up of most of the top 8 teams.

If not for some great rookie picks (Rampe, Lloyd, Papley) and late great second rounders (Tom McCartin, Parker, McInerney, Hannerberry, Hewitt, Membrey though not for us, Aliir Aliir though not for us, Nankervis though not for us) we'd be stuffed.

The other great players for us: Heeney - academy, Mills - academy, Gulden - academy, Blakey - academy, Franklin - trade, Hickey - trade, Paddy - delisted free agent, Tom Mitchell - father/son.

Apart from Parker, who else from our open drafted players would be in our top 12? McInerney you might say before he signed his contract extension. I think that says a lot about our drafting ability.

Spot on

[Blood Relative]

This may belong in the recruiting thread, but the Gould non-selection may also point to our much heralded recruiting department getting it wrong again with the higher draft picks that aren't academy.

Who have we drafted in the top 25 that was an open draft pick that has been one of the better picks at that number in the last dozen years?

Too early to call on Campbell and Logan McDonald, but we have had the very inconsistent Florent and Hayward who some of us are very frustrated with, Stephens, Rohan, Dean Towers, Zac Clarke, Tom Mitchell and Rowbottom.

Rowbottom was a decent pick up for 25, though he would not at this stage of his career, be in the starting line up of most of the top 8 teams.

If not for some great rookie picks (Rampe, Lloyd, Papley) and late great second rounders (Tom McCartin, Parker, McInerney, Hannerberry, Hewitt, Membrey though not for us, Aliir Aliir though not for us, Nankervis though not for us) we'd be stuffed.

The other great players for us: Heeney - academy, Mills - academy, Gulden - academy, Blakey - academy, Franklin - trade, Hickey - trade, Paddy - delisted free agent, Tom Mitchell - father/son.

Apart from Parker, who else from our open drafted players would be in our top 12? McInerney you might say before he signed his contract extension. I think that says a lot about our drafting ability.

The Chad?

[liz]

The Chad?

If we're talking about who would be in our best 12 performed players this year (ie B&F) at this stage, you'd have to reckon Warner, Lloyd and McCartin would all feature (as well as Parker).

The rest of the (somewhat arbitary) top 12 would include Mills, Heeney, Blakey, Gulden and the other McCartin. All except Blakey (one game) have played all games thus far. Some of the rest suffer from having missed a handful of games (Papley - though his form has been down even when he has played; Franklin; Cunningham; McInerney; Hickey; Ladhams). I reckon Hayward and Florent would be closer to the top 12 than some on here reckon. Hayward's game doesn't require high possessions to be effective. Florent has played a couple of pearlers, a couple of very quiet ones, and the rest pretty steady if unspectacular.

[Ludwig]

This may belong in the recruiting thread, but the Gould non-selection may also point to our much heralded recruiting department getting it wrong again with the higher draft picks that aren't academy.

There's another way to interpret this: Our drafting has been so good that even high quality draft picks struggle to break into our side, due to an excess of drafted talent.

You are also noting that this analysis excludes the 4 drafts of the past 8 where we used our 1st pick on an academy player, all of whom has been successful, Campbell pending, but I'm confident he will do well. So how did we really do in the other 4?

Some comments on the non academy drafts:

2016: Not everyone is pleased with Florent and Hayward, but I think they are decent AFL players that are still improving. Not duds. The year was a success, with 5 draftees still in the AFL, including Cameron at the Pies.

2017: Bad luck with Ling being injured. I was not pleased with this selection. Wanted to take Ed Richards or Noah Balta. We did draft McCartin though.

2019: I reviewed many of the highlight reels for Dylan Stephens, and it's easy to see why we drafted him. Looks a tremendous talent. It's hard to explain why his kicking has become inconsistent and he doesn't play with the confidence he had as a junior. I would play him the rest of the season and try to get him comfortable at AFL level, even if he's not the best selection for the week. It's an investment worth making. Gould is playing well in the VFL and would almost certainly come in if we had and injury to Rampe and perhaps to one of the McCartins. We should try to keep him and also try to find a few games for him this years. He's playing well enough to get a shot at AFL.

2021: Sheldrick and Roberts look very good prospects and good bets to make it in the AFL. Not bad for picks 18 and 34.

The draft record tells a story of a successful period when taken as a whole. Only 2017 is a flop, and every club will choose a high draft pick that fails because of injury; Paddy McCartin for one instance.

[707]

The Chad?

Pick 39 was Chad, not a Top 25 pick which was the gist of Maltopia's post. That is, we've not got the bang for bucks from top 25 picks that other teams have, but have done very well with later picks and rookies, the list of successes in those areas is long.

Jury still out on McDonald at 4, Stephens and Campbell both at 5.

If we don't get the finger out we may well have another top 10 pick this year!

Liz, this and the previous post probably belong in the drafting thread not Dogs n Umps preview thread - thanks

[liz]

Pick 39 was Chad, not a Top 25 pick which was the gist of Maltopia's post.

He did say "apart from Parker", suggesting he was talking about our open drafting generally, not just top 25 picks.

[Mark26]

I meant like its really week to week with Paddy any game could be his last with a serious head knock.

In reality, this weekend could be anyone's last. It doesn't even need to be a concussion. Look what happened to AJ.

[Maltopia]

Pick 39 was Chad, not a Top 25 pick which was the gist of Maltopia's post. That is, we've not got the bang for bucks from top 25 picks that other teams have, but have done very well with later picks and rookies, the list of successes in those areas is long.

Jury still out on McDonald at 4, Stephens and Campbell both at 5.

If we don't get the finger out we may well have another top 10 pick this year!

Yes, the start of my thread was around our inability to get good returns on top 25 picks over many years. When I mentioned our better success with later, picks, I forgot to mention Heweitt who was a great pick at 32.

He did say "apart from Parker", suggesting he was talking about our open drafting generally, not just top 25 picks.

And yes, silly me, how could I forget Chad in my point about my arbitrary top 12 having few open draft pick players!

My 12 would be:

Franklin
Mills
Parker
Papley
Heeney
Chad
Gulden
Blakey
Hickey
Paddy McCartin
Tom McCartin
Lloyd

McInerney misses out on form since his new contract.

If any of these top 12 were injured, we would be more worried I reckon, than if one of the next 10 were injured.

[TheBloods]

Yes, the start of my thread was around our inability to get good returns on top 25 picks over many years. When I mentioned our better success with later, picks, I forgot to mention Heweitt who was a great pick at 32.



And yes, silly me, how could I forget Chad in my point about my arbitrary top 12 having few open draft pick players!

My 12 would be:

Franklin
Mills
Parker
Papley
Heeney
Chad
Gulden
Blakey
Hickey
Paddy McCartin
Tom McCartin
Lloyd

McInerney misses out on form since his new contract.

If any of these top 12 were injured, we would be more worried I reckon, than if one of the next 10 were injured.

Wrong , you cant leave Jmac out on form but then include Lloyd and Papley who have been no better ! Jmac is easy top 10 for us