2022 List management, trading, drafting

[Auntie.Gerald]

it is a fascinating 'fork in the road' moment if Martin truly is on the table.

Is there another player as elite as Dustin or comparable that is maybe younger and available to bolster our window opportunity? Maybe?

I must say i really dont think Hawthorn would be the team they were without the GF contributions and season contributions of Shaun Burgoyne, Jack Gunston, Brian Lake and Josh Gibson. Players that they cherry picked to bring to Hawthorn as important players for Finals success.

I dont think Melbourne could have won last year with out Lever, May and or Langdon coming on board. The run from Langdon and the combo or May and Lever has been enormous.

The same the last 9 seasons without Bud for us. Bud has iced games that only he can. Martin does the same at the Tigers so regularly and i sense would have 3 more seasons in him at the RIGHT price.

There are some players that are crucial pieces in the crazy puzzlebox of winning a GF. Solving depth and key areas has been crucial to the success of many teams winning GFs.

I think our best chance is 2023/24 with another seriously elite addition to our current roster in a key position that has scoreboard impact.

It is possible that Blakey could do a BBBHall and shift into the forward line and become a 50 goal per season forward.
It is possible Logan or Joel become that 50 goal per season player in 23/24.
But to increase the probability of success a player like Martin changes the deck chairs dramatically.

While Rampe and Bud are available it is time to consider how do we increase the probability of success.

[waswan]

F8ck Dusty, get Hopper or TT
They cant pay both, like they did to us for Mummy

Our Ladhams pick for Hopper/TT and a 2rd Rounder

Id only give up Dusty for 500k in Salary and. 2nd Rounder or let it go.

Or
Dusty and 1st Rd (Rich) to GWS
Hopper to Syd
Ladhams pick and TT to Richmond

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F8ck Dusty, get Hopper or TT
They cant pay both, like they did to us for Mummy

Our Ladhams pick for Hopper/TT and a 2rd Rounder

Id only give up Dusty for 500k in Salary and. 2nd Rounder or let it go.

Or
Dusty and 1st Rd (Rich) to GWS
Hopper to Syd
Ladhams pick and TT to Richmond

We get a 2nd or 3rd from GWS too

[Auntie.Gerald]

SwanSand
"Buddy on decline and half motivated Dusty next year will kill us as a footy club"


I dont think we would re-sign Buddy unless we felt he could make a serious contribution to our success in 2023........do you honestly think we would do that? I think we know what we think is a fair offer and we will stick to our guns for a player turning 36yrs of age in Jan 23.

I also dont think we would sign a player we suspected was 'not motivated' to bring success if it was a sizeable contract let alone an enormous contract. I cant see that happening.

I think we have learnt that lesson the last 5 seasons or so with some of the odd additions to our squad like Menzel, Taylor, Thurlow, Clarke etc where they really didnt add much yet collectively cost $ in the cap vs development players.

[Aprilbr]

My view is that bringing in Dusty is not worth it if its going to cost us a lot in terms of picks and salary cap space. On the other hand, if Richmond agree to pay a substantial part of his salary and only want a second rounder for him, then it may be worth pursuing.

Our biggest need is an elite midfielder in his prime. Our poor clearance work and contested possessions count this season bear testimony to this. I would rather spend salary and picks on this.

[rb4x]

Our biggest need is an elite midfielder in his prime. Our poor clearance work and contested possessions count this season bear testimony to this. I would rather spend salary and picks on this.

How can that be when we pushed out George Hewett who is an elite midfielder in his prime?

I am still p****d off at that.

[TheBloods]

How can that be when we pushed out George Hewett who is an elite midfielder in his prime?

I am still p****d off at that.

But we had a better version on our list !

[Ludwig]

I would certainly prefer Taranto or Hopper to Dusty. It makes a lot more sense with our age demographic.

There's no magic elixir to win a premiership. Remember how long Richmond and Melbourne were in the doldrums before they finally made a comeback. We've had a very fast turnaround with only 2 years out of the finals. I think we are on the right track. We just need to find more consistency.

Let's not forget that Dusty doesn't do defence. It's in his contract.

[KTigers]

How can that be when we pushed out George Hewett who is an elite midfielder in his prime?

I am still p****d off at that.

Here are George's ave disposals per game whilst at the Swans
2016 17.3
2017 18.7
2018 18.6
2019 21.9
2020 13.8
2021 17.9

Obviously this stat isn't the be all and end all, but are they really the figures of an "elite midfielder"?
Only one year out of 6 he averaged more than 20 touches per game.
Last year at Carlton he averaged 28.9, but that was at Carlton.
Who knows how he would have gone here last year and this?
When he was at the Swans he was mostly regarded as a very average plodder, and esp here on RWO.

[Aprilbr]

Here are George's ave disposals per game whilst at the Swans
2016 17.3
2017 18.7
2018 18.6
2019 21.9
2020 13.8
2021 17.9

Obviously this stat isn't the be all and end all, but are they really the figures of an "elite midfielder"?
Only one year out of 6 he averaged more than 20 touches per game.
Last year at Carlton he averaged 28.9, but that was at Carlton.
Who knows how he would have gone here last year and this?
When he was at the Swans he was mostly regarded as a very average plodder, and esp here on RWO.

I think he mainly played the role of a defensive midfielder with us. This may explain the low numbers. He is playing a more offensive roles with the Blues from what I've noticed.

[Aprilbr]

Another draft rankings list out. Top 20. A lot of Vics and South Australians. Only one NSW player on it - a GWS Academy midfielder at 19th - probably from close to the Victorian border and spending much of his time playing football in Melbourne like so many of their others.

Post script: he is from Griffith in the Riverina and is currently playing for the Calder Cannons in the Victorian Under 19s. I rest my case.


Link below to keep the mods happy:

AFL Draft 2022 Phantom Draft Power Rankings July - Mattaes Phillipou strengthens claim for No. 1 pick

[KTigers]

I think he mainly played the role of a defensive midfielder with us. This may explain the low numbers. He is playing a more offensive roles with the Blues from what I've noticed.

For sure, I guess I'm just questioning the "elite midfielder" tag. When Hewett left people barely raised a murmur. But because he has gone
well at Carlton playing a different role, suddenly we have made some huge error by trading him/not offering him as much money as another
club with different salary cap management and player requirements. Playing well at a different club in a different role means exactly that.
Not much more really.

[caj23]

For sure, I guess I'm just questioning the "elite midfielder" tag. When Hewett left people barely raised a murmur. But because he has gone
well at Carlton playing a different role, suddenly we have made some huge error by trading him/not offering him as much money as another
club with different salary cap management and player requirements. Playing well at a different club in a different role means exactly that.
Not much more really.

Actually there were plenty on here bemoaning his departure when we let him go for nothing . He was always going to go well whenever he went

He was yet another example of a player criminally misutilised by Longmire

[waswan]

Actually there were plenty on here bemoaning his departure when we let him go for nothing . He was always going to go well whenever he went

He was yet another example of a player criminally misutilised by Longmire

Agree

Ball winners shouldnt tag, ball chasers should tag

[Mark26]

I would certainly prefer Taranto or Hopper to Dusty. It makes a lot more sense with our age demographic.

There's no magic elixir to win a premiership. Remember how long Richmond and Melbourne were in the doldrums before they finally made a comeback. We've had a very fast turnaround with only 2 years out of the finals. I think we are on the right track. We just need to find more consistency.

Let's not forget that Dusty doesn't do defence. It's in his contract.

I'd also add Cameron Zurhaar to that list (if he hasn't re-signed with the Kangas). I think now is the time when we need to start recruiting proven players who are young enough to be around for a while, whilst improving the quality of our emerging list. I really hope we're not going after Dusty. He belongs at the Cattery at his age.

[SwanSand]

How can that be when we pushed out George Hewett who is an elite midfielder in his prime?

I am still p****d off at that.

I am sorry but are we not throwing ELITE word around a bit too loosely here. Sure he has improved and probably was a better player than what he played with us but surely he is not Elite by any imagination.