2022 List management, trading, drafting

[jono2707]

There'd be a certan symmetry, if the Swans signed up all these good young players coming out of contract and then offered whatever was left ($400k or whatever) to Buddy - on a take it or leave it basis.

Which is exactly what they should do.

The ageing well-paid star is a 'problem' we're seeing across most sports nowadays, when in the past these players would normally retire much earlier.

[Maltopia]

There'd be a certan symmetry, if the Swans signed up all these good young players coming out of contract and then offered whatever was left ($400k or whatever) to Buddy - on a take it or leave it basis.

How does that work when we are looking to sign up Franklin for 2023, whereas all the players are coming out of contract at the end of 2023.

Franklin’s 2023 contract will have no impact on what we pay the young players in 2024 onwards, unless he is offered a two year deal?

[AB Swannie]

I saw that and thought 'gee, the Vic media are just revving up the Vic teams recruiters to stage a raid on the Swans'. They can't help themselves with their Vic-centricity. AFL.com are at it too. Bloody vultures.

Contract conundrums lie ahead for Sydney

It appears the Swans may have to request their players make a Hawthorn like pact to accept unders for near future success.....lest risk blowing all our development up before it actually comes to fruition. I understand some like to make hay while the sun shines but surely most players play for club success.....and I'm assuming most of our players love our club, want it to succeed and to share in that success?

Carlton seem to be able to recruit players every year AND keep all their own stars. If they can do it, why can't we?

* Is there a tongue in cheek emoji?

[Aprilbr]

How does that work when we are looking to sign up Franklin for 2023, whereas all the players are coming out of contract at the end of 2023.

Franklin’s 2023 contract will have no impact on what we pay the young players in 2024 onwards, unless he is offered a two year deal?

We still have some players yet to be re-signed for 2023 that we need Cap space for. Paddy, Lloyd and Fox come to mind. I think we can also "bank" a small % of our Cap (5%?) for future seasons if we wish. I assume this banking is still allowed? For these reasons, over-paying Buddy is not good business and not in the medium term interests of club success. We do not want a Cap-induced firesale down the track like we saw happen to GWS and the Pies to name two. To win a flag we need to keep most of this group together.

[KTigers]

Carlton seem to be able to recruit players every year AND keep all their own stars. If they can do it, why can't we?

* Is there a tongue in cheek emoji?

When it comes to discussing Carlton just substitute the Visy logo for the tongue in cheek emoji

[Auntie.Gerald]

geelong
hawks
brisbane
melbourne
etc
have all drafted strong and traded strong

we can walk and chew gum also....... cant we?

hickey
ladhams
next role needed via experience?

[dejavoodoo44]

Carlton seem to be able to recruit players every year AND keep all their own stars. If they can do it, why can't we?

* Is there a tongue in cheek emoji?

Carlton's recruitment team are hard working, they're always very Visy.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

I guess I wouldn't be using that approach, a lot of people would be offended by it. With deals it's not just the money itself, the size of
the pile often says to the receiver how "valuable" they are to the giver. They want to feel wanted as well as getting paid. It's very common.

Yeah, I've heard of such deals - but the funny thing is, every time such a gift is made, a modest bit of research points out that the recipient seems to be someone's nephew/unacknowledged sexual partner/or soon thereafter provide a quid pro quo. I'm not saying they don't exist, just that I've never seen any that wasn't as dodgy as $60 bill.

The big issue are the widely different opinions are on Buddy's value. I thought I saw Lloyd stifling a LOL on Footy Classified, before the director changed shot, when it was suggested Buddy might find another club.

How does that work when we are looking to sign up Franklin for 2023, whereas all the players are coming out of contract at the end of 2023.
Franklin’s 2023 contract will have no impact on what we pay the young players in 2024 onwards, unless he is offered a two year deal?

Not quite, contractual payments can be adjusted. For every long term back dated contract, there will be several others where payments are brought forward into the currant year, where things aren't so tight, so as to produce more elbow room in those seasons from which those payements were made.
The only danger with these, is if the player decides to leave the club making the pre-payments before he gets to the now less lucrative seasons. That was exactly the case with one big profile player - unfortunately the name currantly escapes me. If anyone can remember who it was, I'd love a reminder.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

hickey
ladhams
next role needed via experience?

I'm not sure were we actually have an experience deficit, a lot of the kids games totals are climbing quickly.

I'd like another ruckman, and a 2metre defender, and a good utility tall but I don't think any of these wants are so urgent we need to pay overs to raid someone else's henhouse. Anyone you like here?

[707]

Yeah, I've heard of such deals - but the funny thing is, every time such a gift is made, a modest bit of research points out that the recipient seems to be someone's nephew/unacknowledged sexual partner/or soon thereafter provide a quid pro quo. I'm not saying they don't exist, just that I've never seen any that wasn't as dodgy as $60 bill.

The big issue are the widely different opinions are on Buddy's value. I thought I saw Lloyd stifling a LOL on Footy Classified, before the director changed shot, when it was suggested Buddy might find another club.


Not quite, contractual payments can be adjusted. For every long term back dated contract, there will be several others where payments are brought forward into the currant year, where things aren't so tight, so as to produce more elbow room in those seasons from which those payements were made.
The only danger with these, is if the player decides to leave the club making the pre-payments before he gets to the now less lucrative seasons. That was exactly the case with one big profile player - unfortunately the name currantly escapes me. If anyone can remember who it was, I'd love a reminder.

Bryce Gibbs had a front ended deal. As soon as the low paying seasons loomed up he bailed to Crows on big coin, thereby double dipping.

Front ending is always dangerous, unless it's your home grown players who aren't leaving for a few dollars more.

Made me think of the Sergio Leone spaghetti western trilogy, A Fistful of Dollars, A Few Dollars More, and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Got the soundtrack from the last one playing in my head now!

[Blood Fever]

Bryce Gibbs had a front ended deal. As soon as the low paying seasons loomed up he bailed to Crows on big coin, thereby double dipping.

Front ending is always dangerous, unless it's your home grown players who aren't leaving for a few dollars more.

Made me think of the Sergio Leone spaghetti western trilogy, A Fistful of Dollars, A Few Dollars More, and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Got the soundtrack from the last one playing in my head now!

Ennio Morricone was a genius

[liz]

Bryce Gibbs had a front ended deal.

Gary Ablett jnr too, at the point he left the Suns. He'd spent a lot of time injured during his highly paid period at the start of his last Suns contract, and there was some suggestion he was being a bit picky about playing unless he was in perfect health. Then when he returned to Geelong his body all of a sudden became more robust.

[Maltopia]

Not quite, contractual payments can be adjusted. For every long term back dated contract, there will be several others where payments are brought forward into the currant year, where things aren't so tight, so as to produce more elbow room in those seasons from which those payements were made.
The only danger with these, is if the player decides to leave the club making the pre-payments before he gets to the now less lucrative seasons. That was exactly the case with one big profile player - unfortunately the name currantly escapes me. If anyone can remember who it was, I'd love a reminder.

Except your post was about signing up all the young stars, whose contracts end at the end of 2023 (that was the article you were responding to) and then saying to Franklin, here is all that is left for you.

If we sign Gulden for $600K a year starting in 2024, it makes no difference how we front or back end that as it starts in 2024, and has no bearing on what we can offer Franklin in 2023.

Your suggestion makes sense though if you were referring to eg using up a lot of the unused 2023 dollars for Paddy, Reid and others coming out of contract at the end of this year though, but they aren’t the young stars the article was referring to.

[stevoswan]

When it comes to discussing Carlton just substitute the Visy logo for the tongue in cheek emoji

Exactly....and with the packaging industry absolutely booming, they'd be flush with cash!

[dejavoodoo44]

Ennio Morricone was a genius

Yes, the good and the bad ugly, is both one of the great movie themes of all time, and a good description of most AFL lists.