2022 List management, trading, drafting

[KTigers]

Does it really matter? Dawson has gone. Besides if he'd have stayed he might have broken his leg in Round 1 and spent the entire
year sulking he wasn't in that great international city that is often spoken about in the same breath as New York, Paris and Tokyo.
He would have been unbearable.

[AB Swannie]

AG, you’re preaching to the converted. We all wish that Dawson didn’t backflip. We didn’t “let him go”. He snuck out through the bedroom window. Who knows what our season would look like with him still at the club. Fact is, Bombers kicked 15.5 against us while we kicked 2.14 during the middle of the game. We f’d up. It happens.

[Auntie.Gerald]

it's more so how did we not outstandingly replace a player of his calibre ................ while in a window

Im not mourning Dawso

Im mourning a window that needed all guns blazing cause we are in the window

Im not saying we didnt approach other talent t replace Dawso or Hewett......we probably did.......and equallly maybe we are ahead oof what the coaches though was possible in growth ???

otherwise it becomes an opportunity missed.....doesnt it ?

We always hear coaches talk about its not just the gun you have...... but more so how hard it is for teams to match up on the opposition that has too much fire power across the park

I dont know about you all............but I feel we are on a knife edge either way.........and if 2022 isnt that fall to the results we want then 2023 and recruiting smart and bold is the way t go isnt ?

[Bloods05]

No , i am lost . I replied to AG 's comment about Chad and talked about the midfield and then AG was going on about Dawson . What did i miss

You're not the only one who's lost mate. These are some of the most obscure and incoherent posts I've seen on this site since Bangalore Swan disappeared into the ether.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Loose Dawso and Hewett?
Dont recruit for their roles and or other players that can give equal and or more impact?
Are pretty much the same on the table 2021 and 2022 despite being in a window?

Are we going leaps and bounds forwards while in a window?

So obscure........so incoherent.

I just reckon as a club we can walk and chew gum...................and so as supporters.

Chewing only sucks

[Mel_C]

I was just thinking as driving along in the car today

If we lost say Chad......to say an ACL......and he was gone for 12months who would replace him and his current very direct explode from the contest role?

Please do not put things like this out in the universe!!!

[Auntie.Gerald]

Loose Dawso and Hewett?
Dont recruit for their roles and or other players that can give equal and or more impact?
Are pretty much the same on the table 2021 and 2022 despite being in a window?

Are we going leaps and bounds forwards while in a window............a window while having two players pretty much the best at their roles of all time? Bud and Kennedy!

So obscure........so incoherent.......really? I just dont agree that it is so confusing that we wouldnt up the anti in our window with two of the best in our squad right now before their taper off ??????

Loose one throoug injury that is a key player......loose one or two in our case that are serious top 22............and this is obscure and or incohrent ?

I just reckon as a club we can walk and chew gum...................and so as supporters.

Chewing only sucks.........it really does if you are close two years in a row but not close enough.

I suspect we are trying to make sure that 2023 is the pinnacle of our squad depth and talent but 75% of supporters minimum push back........they think in that we are already there and organic growth only wins premierships. I doont agree. Melbourne, Hawks, Richmond, Geelong have found what they needed to find their tipping point of success !

Why should we say they are crazy, idiotic and not smart in the search for holes and filling them?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Mel C

we have so much organic growth that one player gone wont make a difference.................will it ?

[Maltopia]

Loose Dawso and Hewett?

....

Loose one throoug injury that is a key player......loose one or two in our case that are serious top 22............and this is obscure and or incohrent ?

.....

I doont agree.

That is sounding a bit incoherent sorry!

We lost both Dawson and Hewitt late in the trade period (Hewitt we were comfortable with because we didn't know we would also lose Dawson) and the club tried very hard as far as we can tell to keep Dawson and then to get the best deal we could.

There was no time for us to get a Dawson equivalent back (and with what? given the trade imbalance given Dawson could be picked up in the pre-season draft for no return to us)?

So it is this upcoming post season where we can expect the Swans to do something to bolster our list after the setback last year. They really couldn't have done much more last year, except have offered Dawson much higher dollars earlier in the year to get him signed up, but that would leave us overpaying him.

So if we are going to criticise our recruitment (through trading), I don't think last year is something the club could have done much better with. I think we didn't do enough to keep Nankers, Cameron and Membrey, but that is in previous years.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Mal you can blame or not blame last year but it really does have an impact either way.

I am looking at the end of 2022 and saying there are significant gaps from what has been lost vs what we have developed and what we are about to loose and or taper off in Bud and Kennedy

What would be a way to explain coherently that we are either massively on track organically ..............or not ?

Im leaning towards we have done very very well with organic growth but it is not enough vs what we have lost, what we are bout to loose.

For me that is far from chicken little saying the sky is falling in.

It is obvious that 75% of supporters think that the sky is pink, rose and couldnt be prettier via organic growth only but that hasnt been the recipe of most successful teams last 15 years !!!

So i feel i am leaning towards what has worked 75% of the time if not more which is very different too what this forum is arguing against.

Thats cool

The success of teams the last 15 years plus that have equally paid attention to organic draft growth and integral trades for specific roles may not be significant for some supporters.

It maybe for supporters like me.

[Maltopia]

Mal you can blame or not blame last year but it really does have an impact either way.

I am looking at the end of 2022 and saying there are significant gaps from what has been lost vs what we have developed and what we are about to loose and or taper off in Bud and Kennedy

What would be a way to explain coherently that we are either massively on track organically ..............or not ?

Im leaning towards we have done very very well with organic growth but it is not enough vs what we have lost, what we are bout to loose.

For me that is far from chicken little saying the sky is falling in.

It is obvious that 75% of supporters think that the sky is pink, rose and couldnt be prettier via organic growth only but that hasnt been the recipe of most successful teams last 15 years !!!

So i feel i am leaning towards what has worked 75% of the time if not more which is very different too what this forum is arguing against.

Thats cool

The success of teams the last 15 years plus that have equally paid attention to organic draft growth and integral trades for specific roles may not be significant for some supporters.

It maybe for supporters like me.

I am in the 25% camp where I am not that happy with our recruitment/retainment/drafting overall. Yes Warner has been a resounding success, as has many rookie picks like Papley, Rampe etc, and 2nd rounders like Tom McCartin.

But I think for many years we wasted our first round open draft picks. Jed Lamb, Vespremi, Towers, Rohan, Zac Jones. I also think we could have done better than Hayward and maybe Florent, but of course it is easy with hindsight. We've were also unlucky with Ling's injuries. Second rounders we have had some bad ones too, Leonardis and Elijah Taylor.

Then losing Aliir, Nankers, Membrey. Nic Newman seems to be doing ok too.

In the last couple of years though, we seem to have done much better.

Part of our overall list challenge arose, rightly or wrongly with having mostly an ageing list from 2016 onwards, and this culminated in 12? retirements and delistings in 2019. You can't trade for a new Heath Grundy, McVeigh, Nick Smith etc if the old one retires. So we had to go to the draft mostly as we didn't have much trade capital (the old players have left, and we rarely had high draft picks because of sustained top eight finishes). So on the one hand, our team is lacking in some positions, but we also have a very exciting mostly young list (apart from Kennedy, Rampe, Reid, Hickey and Franklin).

How many years were Richmond and Melbourne the laughing stock of the AFL before they won premierships recently? I think we have done remarkably well with our rebuild, apart from as mentioned before, losing Aliir, Membrey, Nankers, Cameron and to some extent Newman.

We were also screwed a bit with the Mitchell trade to Hawthorn too, and the farcical trade ban that meant we had to beg to be allowed to recruit Sinclair when we lost Jetta.

[Aprilbr]

I am in the 25% camp where I am not that happy with our recruitment/retainment/drafting overall. Yes Warner has been a resounding success, as has many rookie picks like Papley, Rampe etc, and 2nd rounders like Tom McCartin.

But I think for many years we wasted our first round open draft picks. Jed Lamb, Vespremi, Towers, Rohan, Zac Jones. I also think we could have done better than Hayward and maybe Florent, but of course it is easy with hindsight. We've were also unlucky with Ling's injuries. Second rounders we have had some bad ones too, Leonardis and Elijah Taylor.

Then losing Aliir, Nankers, Membrey. Nic Newman seems to be doing ok too.

In the last couple of years though, we seem to have done much better.

Part of our overall list challenge arose, rightly or wrongly with having mostly an ageing list from 2016 onwards, and this culminated in 12? retirements and delistings in 2019. You can't trade for a new Heath Grundy, McVeigh, Nick Smith etc if the old one retires. So we had to go to the draft mostly as we didn't have much trade capital (the old players have left, and we rarely had high draft picks because of sustained top eight finishes). So on the one hand, our team is lacking in some positions, but we also have a very exciting mostly young list (apart from Kennedy, Rampe, Reid, Hickey and Franklin).

How many years were Richmond and Melbourne the laughing stock of the AFL before they won premierships recently? I think we have done remarkably well with our rebuild, apart from as mentioned before, losing Aliir, Membrey, Nankers, Cameron and to some extent Newman.

We were also screwed a bit with the Mitchell trade to Hawthorn too, and the farcical trade ban that meant we had to beg to be allowed to recruit Sinclair when we lost Jetta.

I think this is a glass half empty analysis of our drafting and trading over the past 6 years or so. The football world seems to believe we have drafted well. Of course there have been a few busts, but every club including Hawks and Cats have had busts too.

Our ability to trade for players has been severely limited in the past decade due to the initial trade ban and our salary cap challenges. Some of the players you mentioned left because of lack of senior opportunities eg Nankervis, Membery. Others could get more elsewhere eg Aliir.

We tried very hard to keep Dawson and he indicated he would re-sign - until he went home after the finals and suddenly changed his mind.

We face plenty of Cap challenges ahead with young stars like Mills, Papps, Warner etc coming out of contract in the coming year or two. I'm not sure there will be plenty left over to chase big names from elsewhere but let's see what happens. One of those GWS Giants mids being spoken about would be handy.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

What does Dawson have to do with it ? You were talking about Chad !

Are you being ironic?

No , i am lost . I replied to AG 's comment about Chad and talked about the midfield and then AG was going on about Dawson . What did i miss

TB, you are renowned for hijacking dozens and dozens of threads on a wide range of topics with your repetitive Chad/Rowbottom obsessions.

So for you to have a go at Auntie.Gerald for raising the need to replace Dawson into a converstation you describe as being about Chad and the midfield.

That's either irony or hypocrisy. And you just ruled out the former.

So pull your head in and recognise that AG had every right to add his/her 10c worth. Especially when this thread isn't about Chad and the midfield, it's entitled "2022 List management, trading, drafting" - to which AG's thoughts on replacing Dawson are a valid part.

[gloveski]

We are close to that window now we’re some players might stay/come for unders just to have a crack at a premiership . It’s worked in recent times for Richmond and Geelong .


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[Southern Swan15]

I think it will be hard for us to do a mutually accepted deal with GWS. No player I can think of has ever come to Syd from GWS and it feels like they have a zero trade policy with us after the buddy deal.

To think we will be able to prise hopper or tarranto off them for a fair price is wishful thinking.

Matthews and co are just as bitter as fitzpatrick and the other AFL cronies.

Nice. Out of his depth on debut but a lot to work with.

We won't have salary cap problems going forward, Buddy's massive contract caused us some pain but that is now all in the past.

I'm wondering if we are doing something sneaky this trade period, we've been very quiet as we always are, could we be about to raid GW$ for a Hopper? Things have never looked so bright for us and so dim for GW$. Hopper wouldn't even have to move house.

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