2022 List management, trading, drafting

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Except your post was about signing up all the young stars, whose contracts end at the end of 2023 (that was the article you were responding to) and then saying to Franklin, here is all that is left for you.
If we sign Gulden for $600K a year starting in 2024, it makes no difference how we front or back end that as it starts in 2024, and has no bearing on what we can offer Franklin in 2023.
Your suggestion makes sense though if you were referring to eg using up a lot of the unused 2023 dollars for Paddy, Reid and others coming out of contract at the end of this year though, but they aren’t the young stars the article was referring to.

Which article? My post was responding to an observation made on Footy Classified (then revisited on aFL.com - thanks 707 - also the supplying GAblett's name) - maybe someone else was responding to an article?

In any case. To use your hyperthetical Errol contract example:

His contract ends in 2024 - but rather than waiting for that we upgrade and extend his contract. With a contract that extends out until 2026 (for example), with the bump of the contract in 2023 ($700k for example).
Which would effect what was available for Buddy in 2023, as would a prepay. I hope that explains better Mal.

[Maltopia]

Which article? My post was responding to an observation made on Footy Classified (then revisited on aFL.com - thanks 707 - also the supplying GAblett's name) - maybe someone else was responding to an article?

In any case. To use your hyperthetical Errol contract example:

His contract ends in 2024 - but rather than waiting for that we upgrade and extend his contract. With a contract that extends out until 2026 (for example), with the bump of the contract in 2023 ($700k for example).
Which would effect what was available for Buddy in 2023, as would a prepay. I hope that explains better Mal.

Thanks RnR

[i'm-uninformed2]

We will need to continue to manage our cap carefully with what we have coming up and our cycle of young stars.

You don’t want to end up like GWS: forecasts are they’ll lose Hopper, Taranto, Bruhn and Hill at the end of the year. The first two are superb,
( though Taranto has regressed a bit), the third has potential to be special and the fourth can play on his good days.

What a total joke of a …. Don’t what to call them a club. Creation?

[chalbilto]

If possible, wouldn’t mind getting Hopper. He would be a good replacement for when Josh Kennedy retires.

[Ludwig]

If possible, wouldn’t mind getting Hopper. He would be a good replacement for when Josh Kennedy retires.

Kennedy has already been replaced by Chad.

[chalbilto]

Chad is a star. I was referencing Hopper being a replacement on the roster when Kennedy retires. He would be a handy additional player to have to compliment the list.

[TheBloods]

Chad is a star. I was referencing Hopper being a replacement on the roster when Kennedy retires. He would be a handy additional player to have to compliment the list.

Additional player ? He would walk into our midfield

[Aprilbr]

I think the Chad is a very different type of midfielder to Kennedy. Kennedy at his peak was the best contested ball, clearance beast around. The Chad is a more explosive type of midfielder who gains good meters and is a penetrating kick. To me, he is like a young Dangerfield.

[KTigers]

I think the Chad is a very different type of midfielder to Kennedy. Kennedy at his peak was the best contested ball, clearance beast around. The Chad is a more explosive type of midfielder who gains good meters and is a penetrating kick. To me, he is like a young Dangerfield.

That is a good comparison. Hopefully he can keep it going as long as Danger did. Bringing in highly paid players from other clubs (people
here keep talking about GWS for inst) is going to be hard because it is very likely we'll already have quite a few highly paid players in a
year or two. 2023 & 2024 is going to be interesting time with the club's abacus trying to work out who is going to get what. The take one
for the team thing only goes so far.

[TheBloods]

That is a good comparison. Hopefully he can keep it going as long as Danger did. Bringing in highly paid players from other clubs (people
here keep talking about GWS for inst) is going to be hard because it is very likely we'll already have quite a few highly paid players in a
year or two. 2023 & 2024 is going to be interesting time with the club's abacus trying to work out who is going to get what. The take one
for the team thing only goes so far.

It is simple , we throw the cash at the must keeps , the rest either take what we give em or hit the road jack .

The club knows who those players are

Mine would be
Chad (obviously )
Jmac
Errol
Blakey
Mcdonald
Campbell
Both Mccartins
Ladhams ( dont rate him that high but without him our ruck depth terrible)
Heeney
Mills
Paps
And in a few years Dylan Gus and Roberts

The rest can either take what we offer them to stay and be a part of this great club that will take them places or they can walk . Not worth over reaching to keep .

The veterans take less also once they hit 29/30 so Lloyd , Parker, Rampe , Hickey will be on less now/next yr than they were on their last contracts and they understand that

There are levels of player that means levels of pay grades . As long as the club doesnt mix up these levels and the players themselves understand the level they are in , you can balance a salary cap . Trust me

[Auntie.Gerald]

i thought Mills has more so replaced Kennedys role..........but because we have really increased our rotations through the mids.....Mills can move around as the game requires which is such a great advantage when minimising opposition impact.

[gloveski]

I wouldn’t mind a long term deal given to Chad . Even a couple of years tacked onto his current contract . At the rate of his development he soon could be the highest paid on our list . Hence why I don’t think it’s a priority to poach a ready mate 22 from other clubs . No good if it costs us Chad or Blakey down the track . As the money will come hard and fast for them


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[SwanSand]

It is simple , we throw the cash at the must keeps , the rest either take what we give em or hit the road jack .

The club knows who those players are

Mine would be
Chad (obviously )
Jmac
Errol
Blakey
Mcdonald
Campbell
Both Mccartins
Ladhams ( dont rate him that high but without him our ruck depth terrible)
Heeney
Mills
Paps
And in a few years Dylan Gus and Roberts

The rest can either take what we offer them to stay and be a part of this great club that will take them places or they can walk . Not worth over reaching to keep .

The veterans take less also once they hit 29/30 so Lloyd , Parker, Rampe , Hickey will be on less now/next yr than they were on their last contracts and they understand that

There are levels of player that means levels of pay grades . As long as the club doesnt mix up these levels and the players themselves understand the level they are in , you can balance a salary cap . Trust me

It doesn't matter who the others are but just counting these together. They are 14 players we are talking about. I am sure we will have another Ruckman in that list soon. And don't underestimate that the list has no tall forward that is going to kick goals consistently. McDonald is great but won't do it consistently for another 3-4 years. It means we would have 16-17 excellent players on the list who will demand top dollar in a very similar age group. I just think it is very difficult to keep the list of these many high quality players demanding top dollar together. Lets see what happens.

[Auntie.Gerald]

If we are in a window
If Freeo are in a window

If Freeo land Jackson to play with Darcy

If we have Hickey on one leg with Ladhams

Have we fallen behind significantly?

My goodness if Jackson came our way I think we would be a top2 team as he would speed up our fast football even more

If Freeo only stayed on an organic growth course for 2023 you could argue we could also and still be on the edge of a window depending on a few factors.

But Jackson joining Swans or Freeo would change everything..........given that it is Melb or Freeo most likely for Jackson it certainly doesnt help us.

[Ludwig]

I think the Chad is a very different type of midfielder to Kennedy. Kennedy at his peak was the best contested ball, clearance beast around. The Chad is a more explosive type of midfielder who gains good meters and is a penetrating kick. To me, he is like a young Dangerfield.

Chad gives our midfield a different look. It's never going to be the same kind of midfield we had with Kennedy in the lead. We can play a more agile and open kind of midfield. It will be a bit more like Richmond of recent times. We don't have to be the contested ball kings we once were, but rather a midfield better at creating turnovers and taking territory on offence with our run and carry and kicking skills.

I like the current mix of players we now have. We should use midfield rotations from Papley and Heeney as a strength. Gulden and Campbell will also likely be players we can rotate through midfield stoppages in due course.

It shouldn't be long before Sheldrick will add to our contested ball winning in the midfield. We drafted him for that reason, with the knowledge that we let Hewett go and Kennedy was headed for retirement.

With a core of 5 stoppage midfielders in Chad, Mills, Parker, Rowbottom and Sheldrick, and several others that can rotate through the midfield, we don't have a need for any more, especially since it's a young group without any looking to retire for at least several years.

It's important to have a good list, but it's also important not to go overboard. If we have enough depth in a position, we shouldn't look to recruit expensive players and turn it into superfluous depth, because we want our good players to be playing in the AFL, not the VFL and on their way to another club.