2022 List management, trading, drafting

[i'm-uninformed2]

LDU
Tarryn Thomas
Jy Simpkin
Zurhaar
Horne-Francis

I’d take Larkey too. He kicked 40+ goals in the wooden spoon team last year.

As for their ‘ratings’, they’re in a crap team playing dysfunctional football. Of course they look bad. Players don’t perform in isolation of what’s happening around them.

[Aprilbr]

LDU
Tarryn Thomas
Jy Simpkin
Zurhaar
Horne-Francis

I agree. There is some young talent there. It reminds me of the final Fitzroy team in 1996. That team could only win one game in the Club's final season yet several of their team went on to have illustrious careers elsewhere and win premierships eg Chris Johnson, Martin Pike and Matthew Primus. At Fitzroy, they were in a poorly resourced and coached team but it all changed when they went to stronger teams. They were young and many of them developed after leaving. North would have at least six like this.

https://www.lions.com.au/news/700396/fitzroys-last-game-an-injustice

[Ruck'n'Roll]

We will almost certainly see the exit of several 30+ players, Sinkers for certain, the luckless Naismith likewise. Sadly JPK may also retire. I think Rampe's form is picking up, as has Sam Reids so I think we'll keep both.
So probably 3 spots open up.

Amongst the younger players Clarke may have saved his skin, but Taylor and O'Riordan's contracts end this year, and so too I suspect will their careers.
Which gives us 1 more senior and 1 more Rookie spot to fill.
Are we likely to bring in more than that? A cleanout would be a bit unusual for a team on a trajectory like ours.

Of the other out of contract, I have no idea on Ben Ronke or James Bell, and O'Connor and Gould are yet to be tried.

[Aprilbr]

We will almost certainly see the exit of several 30+ players, Sinkers for certain, the luckless Naismith likewise. Sadly JPK may also retire. I think Rampe's form is picking up, as has Sam Reids so I think we'll keep both.
So probably 3 spots open up.

Amongst the younger players Clarke may have saved his skin, but Taylor and O'Riordan's contracts end this year, and so too I suspect will their careers.
Which gives us 1 more senior and 1 more Rookie spot to fill.
Are we likely to bring in more than that? A cleanout would be a bit unusual for a team on a trajectory like ours.

Of the other out of contract, I have no idea on Ben Ronke or James Bell, and O'Connor and Gould are yet to be tried.

I think 8 to 10 players will depart the squad at season's end. The names you mention make sense to me. There will possibly be one or two rookies delisted as well. I think Gould will ask to go if he cannot break into the senior team before season's end. There is suddenly also a certain 35-year old key forward that might not be with us next season with recent developments!

McLean may ask to be traded for more opportunities elsewhere although I think he still has one year left on his contract. I think one of Wicks or Ronke could go to. Bell is 50/50.

[liz]

There will possibly be one or two rookies delisted as well.

Our rookies are:

Fox - currently in senior team but living on year-by-year contracts (I believe)
Taylor - close to certain to be cut
BOC - who knows but doesn't seem close to breaking out
Amartey, McLean, Wicks, Sheather - all with contracts for next season (and the first three having spent their allotted time on the rookie list, meaning they will need to be elevated)
Hall-Kahan - only just arrived and on an 18 month contract

[dejavoodoo44]

Our rookies are:

Fox - currently in senior team but living on year-by-year contracts (I believe)
Taylor - close to certain to be cut
BOC - who knows but doesn't seem close to breaking out
Amartey, McLean, Wicks, Sheather - all with contracts for next season (and the first three having spent their allotted time on the rookie list, meaning they will need to be elevated)
Hall-Kahan - only just arrived and on an 18 month contract

According to the AFL Record, Amartey is on the senior list. And McAndrew is also on the rookie list.

One thing I was wondering about the rookie list. If, say, McLean decided that he would get more opportunities at another club, would we be able to trade him? Or does a player have to be on the senior list, in order for a club to trade them?

[ugg]

Players on rookie list can be traded as the rule was changed a few years ago, we've even traded one in Sam Murray to Collingwood. I think the rule states that the player must be placed on the senior list at his new club

[dejavoodoo44]

Players on rookie list can be traded as the rule was changed a few years ago, we've even traded one in Sam Murray to Collingwood. I think the rule states that the player must be placed on the senior list at his new club

Thanks for that.

[Ludwig]

We will almost certainly see the exit of several 30+ players, Sinkers for certain, the luckless Naismith likewise. Sadly JPK may also retire. I think Rampe's form is picking up, as has Sam Reids so I think we'll keep both.
So probably 3 spots open up.

Just to get the numbers right: Only 2 spots would be open as our list was full after adding Paddy, and Naismith was placed on the inactive list to open a spot used for HHK.

I think 8 to 10 players will depart the squad at season's end. The names you mention make sense to me. There will possibly be one or two rookies delisted as well. I think Gould will ask to go if he cannot break into the senior team before season's end. There is suddenly also a certain 35-year old key forward that might not be with us next season with recent developments!

McLean may ask to be traded for more opportunities elsewhere although I think he still has one year left on his contract. I think one of Wicks or Ronke could go to. Bell is 50/50.

It's hard to come up with 8-10 players without losing the likes of Lloyd and Cunningham to free agency.

Looking at our list from a spots available and prospects angle, we have a lot of reserves players with good prospects, but not enough open spots for the AFL side. Even taking into consideration the over 30 brigade, it's only a trickle set to leave the club compared to the numbers coming in through the a draft, where we've been generating 3+ good prospects a year.

• JPK and Sinclair are no longer regulars in he senior side, and will almost surely retire this year.
• Reid will only be 31next year and could be good for another 2 or 3 seasons if he stays off the injury list.
• Buddy may well play on, but unlikely after next year.
• We have a backup ruckman to take over from Hickey in a few years.
• We need to keep Gould on our list to eventually replace Rampe. It would be a shame to lose him without giving him a shot at AFL level. It's hard to have a read on this one, but I would understand if Gould wanted to look for an opportunity elsewhere, so we need to come up with something to keep him on the list.

I only see around 6 players retiring over the next 3 drafts, and we already have replacements on our list for all of them, so the next 3 drafts should see around 9 players added for depth. This is very positive for the organic growth of the squad.

I can see us taking 5 players in the draft this year; 3 in the ND and 2 in the rookie draft, which might both come from our academy, maybe Anderson and Webster.

The 5 players, excluding Naismith, that I can see going out are JPK, Sinclair, BOC, Taylor and either Bell or COR. I would like to hold onto Ronke and Clarke, but they would have to be in the mix as well. I'm also assuming that we hold on to Gould and Buddy stays on with us.

Everyone who played on Saturday could stay on and play for us next year, although there are doubts on several of them. We don't need to lose any of them to make room for 5 new additions.

The players that did not play in that game who I think are good prospects and still in early development are (10): McDonald, Campbell, Sheldrick, Roberts, HHK, Gould, Sheather, Corey Warner, McLean and McAndrew.
Depth players are ( 4): Cunningham (medisub), Ronke, Wicks, Melican.
Unlikely to make it: Rankin

There's usually some unprojected player movement, so this is just how things might stand around 3 months before the trading season. I think the list looks healthy, with some good depth, a lot of youth in early development and good draft hand with 2 firs rounders and a pick in the 30s to add this year.

This situation calls for a limited list turnover, looking for quality more than quantity. Three's a backlog of decent prospects building up that need to go through a reasonable development cycle before piling on too many players just to fill out the numbers. There should be a focus on KPPs, because that is where we look the most vulnerable.

[707]

If Tarryn Thomas wants out of Norf and would like to come to us then I'm all for it. Contracted for another two years so will cost trade capital but you know what you're getting. Did someone mention he has a close friendship with one of our players, Blakey maybe through Allies?

He showed in the back end of last season how good he can be, really damaging through the middle and up forward, and in a dis-functional team as well. He would excel under our system, a game breaker. We should be talking to his manager.

Our list is now at the stage where we will have limited changes each year, but TT in is one I would welcome

[Steve]

Its interesting that in the history of GWS, we have yet to grab any of their players. The closest was Cunningham but he was a reject from their final culling of their list. Given how they have lost so many players over the years (mostly to Vic clubs), its surprising that not one has come our way. I know people will say its the go home factor to Victoria but not everyone wants to live there.

I think there should now be an opportunity for us where Giants players are in the ‘love living in Sydney but looking for a better deal’ category.

For the Giants’ whole existence it has either been homesick VIC kids leaving after a couple of years, or established players getting better offers elsewhere (which we couldn’t compete with due to the Franklin deal).

I’d much prefer to go after guys like Taranto or Hopper than overpay for another year for Franklin, and/or go after Dusty.

Hopper is probably more realistic - wouldn’t command mega dollars but is exactly the player we need. He’s also from Leeton, media talk about him like he’s from VIC, he spent a year or two boarding in Ballarat but that’s it.

[Maltopia]

Re the lack of GWS players coming to the Swans, I don’t think that is unusual.

How many Eagles players have left to play for the Dockers and vice versa? There was an outcry when Hayden Ballentyne considered going to the Eagles.

How many GC have gone to Brisbane and vice versa? I know of one player but can’t recall his name.

What about the Crows and Power?

Although it is a business etc, the non-Victorian clubs in the same state have a fierce rivalry and cultivate “hatred” against the other team.

[Steve]

That’s a fair observation. The reality is clubs will generally do whatever it takes to hold onto homegrown star players, so a move cross-town is unlikely. And someone drafted from interstate is more likely to go home if they’re putting themselves on the market.

It is still hard for us, as even someone like Taranto who supposedly loves Sydney and has lived there for 6 years now, would still have multiple VIC clubs offering good money.

That’s the double-whammy with VIC - so many players recruited from there hence the go-home factor, but also the fact there’s 10 teams there so plenty of options and inevitably at least a few with cap space at any one time. Even if the player isn’t homesick as as such, if you’ll get the biggest dollars in VIC, being go closer to family is an added bonus.

[goswannies]

Re the lack of GWS players coming to the Swans, I don’t think that is unusual.

How many Eagles players have left to play for the Dockers and vice versa? There was an outcry when Hayden Ballentyne considered going to the Eagles.

How many GC have gone to Brisbane and vice versa? I know of one player but can’t recall his name.

What about the Crows and Power?

Although it is a business etc, the non-Victorian clubs in the same state have a fierce rivalry and cultivate “hatred” against the other team.

CROWS / POWER
David Brown ?
Ian Downsborough ?
Brett Chalmers ?
Matthew Bode ?
Brad Symes
Billy Frampton

EAGLES / FREO
Daniel Metropolis
Trent Carroll
David Hynes
Tony Godden
Brendan Fewster
Greg Harding
Jarrod Schofield
Scotty Watters
Dale Kickett
Brendan Krummel
Brendon Retzlaff

SWANS / GW$
Jed Lamb
Shane Mumford

I’m not including players who only played reserves with one of the cross-town rivals (eg Cunningham, I think WC/Freo have some eg Burton)

[KTigers]

CROWS / POWER
David Brown ?
Ian Downsborough ?
Brett Chalmers ?
Matthew Bode ?
Brad Symes
Billy Frampton

EAGLES / FREO
Daniel Metropolis
Trent Carroll
David Hynes
Tony Godden
Brendan Fewster
Greg Harding
Jarrod Schofield
Scotty Watters
Dale Kickett
Brendan Krummel
Brendon Retzlaff

SWANS / GW$
Jed Lamb
Shane Mumford

I’m not including players who only played reserves with one of the cross-town rivals (eg Cunningham, I think WC/Freo have some eg Burton)

Part of those numbers is going to be a reflection of time. Freo joined the AFL in 1995, Port in 1997 but GWS not until 2012.