2022 List management, trading, drafting

[KSAS]

Sam Naismith interviewed on SEN this afternoon. Sounded frustrated with his delisting, believing his body is now right and wished season went 2 weeks longer to prove himself. Hoping to be picked up by another club. No mention whether we might Rookie list him. He mentioned Horse & Co wanted to keep him in cotton wool till 2023 after his knee op last year. Podcast link below. Interview starts at 1:05:20 mark on Today's afternoon show with Julian De Stoop (2nd Nov)

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/sen-afternoons/id1198117761

Edit: There is a separate podcast link for the Sam Naismith interview bit further below on the same page.

[rickmat]

Auntie, there are plenty of suggested picks by many RWOs but we will have to wait till our real experts do their thing on Draft night. I hope we will take an experienced pick along with 2 best young talent.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Sam Naismith interviewed on SEN this afternoon. Sounded frustrated with his delisting, believing his body is now right and wished season went 2 weeks longer to prove himself. Hoping to be picked up by another club. No mention whether we might Rookie list him.

If he's not picked up by another club, and we're not willing to rookie, he could be given a Swans VFL spot and try to emulate Paddy McCartin.

[Ludwig]

The more I look at him the more I like Norwood's Harry Boyd. Rated by North Adelaide before the Grand Final along with their Mitch Harvey and Adelaide's Kieran Strachan as one of the best three ruckmen in the SAFL. Sam Hayes does not rate a mention. Smashed Harvey in the Grand Final and was BOG. Was Norwood's best for the season. Only 25 and has not been injured. Only second year in the system so is young for a ruckman. Similar build to Nankervis but with better tank and good overhead. Can play as a KPP as well. Ex Shepparton so not a great go home factor to Melbourne. Hope my redleg bias is not showing out after their one point grand final win but I would happily take him with our third pick.

Boyd looks a reasonable option for our final pick in the draft. He could go in the 1st round of the rookie draft, so we might have to take him in the ND if we are keen, which means a 2 year commitment. I don't know why we would be keeping McAndrew if we are planning to take a ruckman in the draft. The 3rd ruckman hardly ever gets an opportunity to play and is primarily a development spot.

It's sad for Naismith, but he's not right for a 3rd string ruckman, especially with his injury history. There might be a club where the fit would be better.

Some clubs will play 2 ruckmen, but the Swans have too many AFL quality players in the reserves to use a spot in the 22 for a 2nd ruckman, especially since we have several forwards who can pinch hit in the ruck, That's why the 3rd ruckman is a development spot and not one likely to see AFL action in the coming year.

[BRS328]

The third ruckman situation could change dramatically if the AFL decides to go with the coaches preferred option of going to a 5 man interchange and eliminating the medical sub.

The general feeling is most clubs would then go to two full time ruckmen rotating off the interchange bench.

While Ladhams is the obvious choice there is not much in reserve if he or Hicky were injured

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Some clubs will play 2 ruckmen, but the Swans have too many AFL quality players in the reserves to use a spot in the 22 for a 2nd ruckman, especially since we have several forwards who can pinch hit in the ruck, That's why the 3rd ruckman is a development spot and not one likely to see AFL action in the coming year.

If the clear standout best player in the reserves is a ruckman when an opening appears in the firsts - does the Ludwig Rule still apply?
Would that player have to wait until the first's current ruckman was injured/lost form?

[The Big Cat]

If the clear standout best player in the reserves is a ruckman when an opening appears in the firsts - does the Ludwig Rule still apply?
Would that player have to wait until the first's current ruckman was injured/lost form?

Yes

[Ludwig]

If the clear standout best player in the reserves is a ruckman when an opening appears in the firsts - does the Ludwig Rule still apply?
Would that player have to wait until the first's current ruckman was injured/lost form?

If you have Gawn and Grundy, or Darcy and Jackson, they can both play. But not Hickey and Ladhams.

[707]

If you have Gawn and Grundy, or Darcy and Jackson, they can both play. But not Hickey and Ladhams.

What about if the dreamt up in a hurry and much abused sub rule is ditched and we end up with a bench of five? Surely then you'd play two rucks as then they can rotate off the bench and be quite fresh the whole game.

[Ludwig]

What about if the dreamt up in a hurry and much abused sub rule is ditched and we end up with a bench of five? Surely then you'd play two rucks as then they can rotate off the bench and be quite fresh the whole game.

I like the 5 on thee bench rule and agree that it favours carrying 2 ruckmen. It still depends on the particular game situation. Reid and Amartey are more than good enough in the ruck to take on the #2 role.

It probably favours taking 3 key forwards into the game, including at least 1 who can play ruck We've been doing that anyway, so it wouldn't likely make for a change in that regard.

Both Hickey and Ladhams do more than just compete in ruck contests, which increases their chances of getting games together. It really depends on what combination of ruckmen and forwards contributes the most against a given opposition.

[rickmat]

There is now a vacancy in the Swans coaching ranks so we await to see who the Swans appoint as their Development and VFL coach. I notice that many AFL clubs have up to 7-8 coaches whilst Swans have 5. Swans suffered with the reduced AFL allocation to clubs but there is now an opportunity to perhaps appoint at least another experienced head in the coaches box. Plus the new VFL coach

[The Big Cat]

There is now a vacancy in the Swans coaching ranks so we await to see who the Swans appoint as their Development and VFL coach. I notice that many AFL clubs have up to 7-8 coaches whilst Swans have 5. Swans suffered with the reduced AFL allocation to clubs but there is now an opportunity to perhaps appoint at least another experienced head in the coaches box. Plus the new VFL coach

They blew a hundred grand from their soft cap on Covid protocols.

[Aprilbr]

They blew a hundred grand from their soft cap on Covid protocols.

Yes, and we potentially pay a premium to attract quality Assistant Coaches to Sydney. People like Cox and Pyke don't come cheap. Having said that, I would take coaching quality over quantity any day. Remember when Essendon had an army of Assistants prior to the introduction of the soft cap? It didn't seem to help them too much!

[gloveski]

Yes, and we potentially pay a premium to attract quality Assistant Coaches to Sydney. People like Cox and Pyke don't come cheap. Having said that, I would take coaching quality over quantity any day. Remember when Essendon had an army of Assistants prior to the introduction of the soft cap? It didn't seem to help them too much!

To many cooks in the kitchen .Sometimes less is more .


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[rickmat]

Disagree, Gloveski, we need the best coaching group to go the next step to win the GF. We definately need a Development Coach just like when we had Rys Shaw, the best we have had.