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  • KSAS
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2018
    • 1786

    Sam Naismith interviewed on SEN this afternoon. Sounded frustrated with his delisting, believing his body is now right and wished season went 2 weeks longer to prove himself. Hoping to be picked up by another club. No mention whether we might Rookie list him. He mentioned Horse & Co wanted to keep him in cotton wool till 2023 after his knee op last year. Podcast link below. Interview starts at 1:05:20 mark on Today's afternoon show with Julian De Stoop (2nd Nov)

    Sport Podcast · Updated Daily · You call, you get on - that's the Midday Madness promise! Dwayne Russell's afternoon program has a strong focus on talkback, discussing the big issues of the AFL season each day with listeners as well...


    Edit: There is a separate podcast link for the Sam Naismith interview bit further below on the same page.
    Last edited by KSAS; 2 November 2022, 04:49 PM.

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    • rickmat
      Regular in the Side
      • Mar 2018
      • 500

      Auntie, there are plenty of suggested picks by many RWOs but we will have to wait till our real experts do their thing on Draft night. I hope we will take an experienced pick along with 2 best young talent.

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      • Ruck'n'Roll
        Ego alta, ergo ictus
        • Nov 2003
        • 3990

        Originally posted by KSAS
        Sam Naismith interviewed on SEN this afternoon. Sounded frustrated with his delisting, believing his body is now right and wished season went 2 weeks longer to prove himself. Hoping to be picked up by another club. No mention whether we might Rookie list him.
        If he's not picked up by another club, and we're not willing to rookie, he could be given a Swans VFL spot and try to emulate Paddy McCartin.

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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          Originally posted by rb4x
          The more I look at him the more I like Norwood's Harry Boyd. Rated by North Adelaide before the Grand Final along with their Mitch Harvey and Adelaide's Kieran Strachan as one of the best three ruckmen in the SAFL. Sam Hayes does not rate a mention. Smashed Harvey in the Grand Final and was BOG. Was Norwood's best for the season. Only 25 and has not been injured. Only second year in the system so is young for a ruckman. Similar build to Nankervis but with better tank and good overhead. Can play as a KPP as well. Ex Shepparton so not a great go home factor to Melbourne. Hope my redleg bias is not showing out after their one point grand final win but I would happily take him with our third pick.
          Boyd looks a reasonable option for our final pick in the draft. He could go in the 1st round of the rookie draft, so we might have to take him in the ND if we are keen, which means a 2 year commitment. I don't know why we would be keeping McAndrew if we are planning to take a ruckman in the draft. The 3rd ruckman hardly ever gets an opportunity to play and is primarily a development spot.

          It's sad for Naismith, but he's not right for a 3rd string ruckman, especially with his injury history. There might be a club where the fit would be better.

          Some clubs will play 2 ruckmen, but the Swans have too many AFL quality players in the reserves to use a spot in the 22 for a 2nd ruckman, especially since we have several forwards who can pinch hit in the ruck, That's why the 3rd ruckman is a development spot and not one likely to see AFL action in the coming year.

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          • BRS328
            Warming the Bench
            • Feb 2018
            • 356

            The third ruckman situation could change dramatically if the AFL decides to go with the coaches preferred option of going to a 5 man interchange and eliminating the medical sub.

            The general feeling is most clubs would then go to two full time ruckmen rotating off the interchange bench.

            While Ladhams is the obvious choice there is not much in reserve if he or Hicky were injured

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            • Ruck'n'Roll
              Ego alta, ergo ictus
              • Nov 2003
              • 3990

              Originally posted by Ludwig
              Some clubs will play 2 ruckmen, but the Swans have too many AFL quality players in the reserves to use a spot in the 22 for a 2nd ruckman, especially since we have several forwards who can pinch hit in the ruck, That's why the 3rd ruckman is a development spot and not one likely to see AFL action in the coming year.
              If the clear standout best player in the reserves is a ruckman when an opening appears in the firsts - does the Ludwig Rule still apply?
              Would that player have to wait until the first's current ruckman was injured/lost form?
              Last edited by Ruck'n'Roll; 3 November 2022, 08:00 AM.

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              • The Big Cat
                On the veteran's list
                • Apr 2006
                • 2355

                Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                If the clear standout best player in the reserves is a ruckman when an opening appears in the firsts - does the Ludwig Rule still apply?
                Would that player have to wait until the first's current ruckman was injured/lost form?
                Yes
                Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                • Ludwig
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9359

                  Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                  If the clear standout best player in the reserves is a ruckman when an opening appears in the firsts - does the Ludwig Rule still apply?
                  Would that player have to wait until the first's current ruckman was injured/lost form?
                  If you have Gawn and Grundy, or Darcy and Jackson, they can both play. But not Hickey and Ladhams.

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                  • 707
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6204

                    Originally posted by Ludwig
                    If you have Gawn and Grundy, or Darcy and Jackson, they can both play. But not Hickey and Ladhams.
                    What about if the dreamt up in a hurry and much abused sub rule is ditched and we end up with a bench of five? Surely then you'd play two rucks as then they can rotate off the bench and be quite fresh the whole game.

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                    • Ludwig
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9359

                      Originally posted by 707
                      What about if the dreamt up in a hurry and much abused sub rule is ditched and we end up with a bench of five? Surely then you'd play two rucks as then they can rotate off the bench and be quite fresh the whole game.
                      I like the 5 on thee bench rule and agree that it favours carrying 2 ruckmen. It still depends on the particular game situation. Reid and Amartey are more than good enough in the ruck to take on the #2 role.

                      It probably favours taking 3 key forwards into the game, including at least 1 who can play ruck We've been doing that anyway, so it wouldn't likely make for a change in that regard.

                      Both Hickey and Ladhams do more than just compete in ruck contests, which increases their chances of getting games together. It really depends on what combination of ruckmen and forwards contributes the most against a given opposition.

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                      • rickmat
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Mar 2018
                        • 500

                        There is now a vacancy in the Swans coaching ranks so we await to see who the Swans appoint as their Development and VFL coach. I notice that many AFL clubs have up to 7-8 coaches whilst Swans have 5. Swans suffered with the reduced AFL allocation to clubs but there is now an opportunity to perhaps appoint at least another experienced head in the coaches box. Plus the new VFL coach

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                        • The Big Cat
                          On the veteran's list
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 2355

                          Originally posted by rickmat
                          There is now a vacancy in the Swans coaching ranks so we await to see who the Swans appoint as their Development and VFL coach. I notice that many AFL clubs have up to 7-8 coaches whilst Swans have 5. Swans suffered with the reduced AFL allocation to clubs but there is now an opportunity to perhaps appoint at least another experienced head in the coaches box. Plus the new VFL coach
                          They blew a hundred grand from their soft cap on Covid protocols.
                          Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                          • Aprilbr
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2016
                            • 1803

                            Originally posted by The Big Cat
                            They blew a hundred grand from their soft cap on Covid protocols.
                            Yes, and we potentially pay a premium to attract quality Assistant Coaches to Sydney. People like Cox and Pyke don't come cheap. Having said that, I would take coaching quality over quantity any day. Remember when Essendon had an army of Assistants prior to the introduction of the soft cap? It didn't seem to help them too much!

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                            • gloveski
                              Senior Player
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 1018

                              Originally posted by Aprilbr
                              Yes, and we potentially pay a premium to attract quality Assistant Coaches to Sydney. People like Cox and Pyke don't come cheap. Having said that, I would take coaching quality over quantity any day. Remember when Essendon had an army of Assistants prior to the introduction of the soft cap? It didn't seem to help them too much!
                              To many cooks in the kitchen .Sometimes less is more .


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                              • rickmat
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Mar 2018
                                • 500

                                Disagree, Gloveski, we need the best coaching group to go the next step to win the GF. We definately need a Development Coach just like when we had Rys Shaw, the best we have had.

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