2022 List management, trading, drafting

[dejavoodoo44]

Whilst we'd all love to see Dusty in red and white, it would only make sense if we thought we could win a flag in the next two seasons.

So much risk, turns 32 half way through next season, age related injury, would he be 100%engaged, huge salary, cost in picks.

Better he stays at Richmond and they bear all those risks, don't derail what we're doing because Dusty would now rather be in Sydney/NSW.

Hopefully the chat about this on channel 9 was just that crap programs usual trumped up sensationalism, it's such a low brow show, even the theme music is crap!

Well, the general gist of that article seemed to be: Dusty has spent a fair bit of time in Sydney; Richmond are reportedly interested in Taranto and Hopper; therefore, Dusty is going to the Swans. I think I can spot a flaw in that logic.

[KTigers]

Yes, pretty sure Taranto and Hopper are at GWS. And I think I read Hopper is signed till 2023. But you know, it's pretty easy to get
the Sydney teams mixed up (all two of them) when you're in the hubbub of the fast moving footy industry in Melbourne.

[Blood Fever]

AFL news 2022: Dustin Martin trade to Sydney Swans, Richmond Tigers, it’s on, interest from Swans, contract, deal

Ugh

Key word 'perhaps". Could easily be a beat up.

[dejavoodoo44]

Yes, pretty sure Taranto and Hopper are at GWS. And I think I read Hopper is signed till 2023. But you know, it's pretty easy to get
the Sydney teams mixed up (all two of them) when you're in the hubbub of the fast moving footy industry in Melbourne.

Yes, and red and orange are quite similar.

[KTigers]

Yes, and red and orange are quite similar.

Yep, when a road trip means travelling from the MCG to Marvel or vice versa it's pretty easy for things to get all blurry
if you try and look any further.

[i'm-uninformed2]

It could also be a case of journos reporting on what other journos mindlessly speculate on, because why not do that - which feeds in the favourite pastime of journos, which is talking about themselves and making themselves the story - rather than the actual hard work of journalism.

I've dealt with a lot in my life (and was even briefly one in my younger days), and trust me, they're largely pissants.

[Markwebbos]

Hardwick has spoken publicly about the possibility of Dusty leaving. Which makes me think there is some substance to this, in the sense Richmond want him and his $2.6m out of their salary cap to make room for some fresh blood (Taranto is said to be headed there).

There’s no way he could get to GW$ as they are already $1m over.

Which leaves us.

Even if they sweetened the deal by paying a huge chunk of his salary. He’s too old and too expensive. Surely we wouldn’t be that stupid?

[KTigers]

Other than working at the upper levels of a club or the AFL itself (in which case you certainly shouldn't be talking about it),
how does a person find out or know for a fact that any club has over spent the salary cap?
Hopefully we're not relying on that well known oracle of truth, the footy "journalist". Or are we? Besides, if clubs overspend
the salary cap, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of them?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Why there’s a “very large” chance Dustin Martin isn’t at Richmond in 2023

We are in a premiership window with the right adjustments and pieces added.

i honestly dont mind the play for Dusty at the right price right contract length vs other options vs our current squad being good enough to win a GF

If we have a couple players we cant match vs other offers and or we have a couple players who want to go home and we cant match due to excessive $ then why not Dusty one of the best players in the comp?

Lloyd make attract an offer to tricky $ wise to match?
Gould and Stephens could also be prize value picks for SA teams?

I like a competitive team year after vs year like Geelong have done vs say a GF one year then a decade later a top8............but we are on the edge of a top4 / GF window and 2023 has to b that year while we still have Bud....if Bud stays on

[KTigers]

I saw Hardwick's comments and it looked real to me. If Martin wants to move to Sydney, he wants to move to Sydney.
That won't be lost on Hardwick and Richmond. As Hardwick said Martin has given Richmond a lot on the field, and
they couldn't have asked for any more of him.
The guy isn't a fool. Does he really want a player who wants to be somewhere else and is coming towards the end
of his career? Especially if it helps the Tigers get a player from another club that they are chasing.
If say Richmond are prepared to pay say $400K of Martin's (reportedly $1.3M) salary then that gives them $900K towards
a Taranto and whoever else they are after (assuming they can do trades with the other clubs).
But if Martin just wants to live in Sydney, does he really care which team he plays with?
He might just as easily go to the Giants and some deal is done with say Taranto, assuming he actually wants to leave.
It's like Franklin. He's playing with us but if that deal wasn't done he'd be out at the Giants. He came to Sydney
because his girlfriend/now wife was here.
And if Martin really wants a quiet life in Sydney, he'll find it out at Homebush.

[chalbilto]

I saw Hardwick's comments and it looked real to me. If Martin wants to move to Sydney, he wants to move to Sydney.
That won't be lost on Hardwick and Richmond. As Hardwick said Martin has given Richmond a lot on the field, and
they couldn't have asked for any more of him.
The guy isn't a fool. Does he really want a player who wants to be somewhere else and is coming towards the end
of his career? Especially if it helps the Tigers get a player from another club that they are chasing.
If say Richmond are prepared to pay say $400K of Martin's (reportedly $1.3M) salary then that gives them $900K towards
a Taranto and whoever else they are after (assuming they can do trades with the other clubs).
But if Martin just wants to live in Sydney, does he really care which team he plays with?
He might just as easily go to the Giants and some deal is done with say Taranto, assuming he actually wants to leave.
It's like Franklin. He's playing with us but if that deal wasn't done he'd be out at the Giants. He came to Sydney
because his girlfriend/now wife was here.
And if Martin really wants a quiet life in Sydney, he'll find it out at Homebush.

But its $900K to our salary cap. The club could pay 2 - 3 young players with this amount. By the way how many games has Martin missed in the last couple of seasons? He is not getting any younger so why risk it?

Hardwick has spoken publicly about the possibility of Dusty leaving. Which makes me think there is some substance to this, in the sense Richmond want him and his $2.6m out of their salary cap to make room for some fresh blood (Taranto is said to be headed there).

There’s no way he could get to GW$ as they are already $1m over.

Which leaves us.

Even if they sweetened the deal by paying a huge chunk of his salary. He’s too old and too expensive. Surely we wouldn’t be that stupid?

Exactly. Why waste that amount of the salary cap on him when the club should be looking to the future with younger players. We have a core that are getting to the 50 - 100 game experience and prime age group. Invest in them.

[jono2707]

If Dusty is so keen to live in Sydney why doesn't he just retire and do whatever he wants?

[707]

If Dusty is so keen to live in Sydney why doesn't he just retire and do whatever he wants?

Too risky to bring in, he's been unsettled since his father died, may not have his heart in our club.

We invest in him and not long into next season he could wake up one day, decide he's not enjoying his footy any more and tell us he's retiring. It happens!

But if GW$ have a cap squeeze, I'm all for Hopper, our first for him no probs.

Taranto if he goes will want to go back to Melbourne, he's from Mordialloc

[111431]

Hardwick has spoken publicly about the possibility of Dusty leaving. Which makes me think there is some substance to this, in the sense Richmond want him and his $2.6m out of their salary cap to make room for some fresh blood (Taranto is said to be headed there).

There’s no way he could get to GW$ as they are already $1m over.

Which leaves us.

Even if they sweetened the deal by paying a huge chunk of his salary. He’s too old and too expensive. Surely we wouldn’t be that stupid?

agreed

[Kumarangk]

Hardwick has spoken publicly about the possibility of Dusty leaving. Which makes me think there is some substance to this, in the sense Richmond want him and his $2.6m out of their salary cap to make room for some fresh blood (Taranto is said to be headed there).

There’s no way he could get to GW$ as they are already $1m over.

Which leaves us.

Even if they sweetened the deal by paying a huge chunk of his salary. He’s too old and too expensive. Surely we wouldn’t be that stupid?

So If the Tigers pay 1.2 million of his contract for 2 years , 700k is not a great deal for the swans ? It all depends on what Richmond is willing to bring to the table. Whilst I think Dusty could be a great leader of our Cygnets I also don't want to invest money that could be better spent elsewhere. We have finally just got over the chunk that Buddy & Tippett were taking. Great to get low draft picks but recruiting proven performers that dont break the bank is better and the Swans did that very well before the Bud & Tippett era.