2022 List management, trading, drafting

[Auntie.Gerald]

For me i more look at how do we maximise the probability of winning a GF or two in our window of 2022/23 and maybe 24?

If the right deal can occur ........could you imagine containing our midfield rotation with Dustin Martin included ?

Could you imagine a final series with Bud, Martin, Paps, Heeney, Mills, Blakey etc?

Dustin has just turned 31 yrs old and hasnt played much last two seasons. The guy is a king of kings when at his best and has proven this over many seasons.

Bud turns 36yrs old in Jan 2023 and we still enjoy his elite impact

I find it hard ti imagine getting the opportunity to have a top5 AFL player come to the Swans in 2023 or 24? Or maybe the Swans are orchestrating two serious AFL players to dock at Circular Quay for 2023 in amongst the perfect D Martin distraction ?

Which would not make sense given we let go of Hewett and Dawso

[Auntie.Gerald]

Dustin Martin BEST Goals of 2021 - YouTube

A decade of Dusty: Ten minutes of vintage Dustin Martin | 2020 | AFL - YouTube

to soon? lol

[i'm-uninformed2]

If Buddy plays on next year, even at half the rate he's on this year, trust me: we won't be paying Dusty too.

We've eased the total squeeze on the cap, particularly when the money set aside for The Rat wasn't used, but it gets quickly absorbed elsewhere.

But we've got a lot to do to keep the kids together over the next two-three years, as well as some essential mid-age core in Mills and Papley coming up.

[Aprilbr]

Which analyst? Can you provide a link?

Link below but it won't be of much use to most as hidden behind a paywall:

No Cookies | Herald Sun

[Ludwig]

I wouldn't take Dusty even if he was a free agent. Totally wrong player for our list at this time. It would likely shut the door on a premiership for a half dozen years. Talk about throwing a spanner into the works. He'll probably take personal leave, as he tends to do, as soon as he arrives, but would even a bigger problem if he plays.

I can't believe the Swans would be so stupid to fall into this trap.

Best strategy is to go to the draft with our 2 1st rounders. We should be able to get one or two good KPPs to help solidify this potential weakness, especially if we don't finish top 6.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Luddy

mate i must admit i take the opposite view re yours and organic being enough.........we are in a window right now and for the next few years. We could have kept Dawson at $600k pa but decided against it at the last minute. So that money plus Georgie boys is available. We have players like Stephens and or Gould who could bring a nice trade for picks and maintain our depth. And lets be fair, we are very good at finding strong players at pick 30s and 40s ie Goodes, Parker, Warner, McInerny, Paps etc

For Hawthorn to be who there were over many championship years, a dominant top4 team and winner of a few GFs they had to go outside the Hawthorn club to remain a serious threat via attracting the likes f Shaun Burgoyne, Jack Gunston, Brian Lake and Josh Gibson who stood tall and delivered as part of their success.

For Geelong to be so incredibly resilient and consistent they have recruited experienced players year after year to maintain the possibility of being a GF winner.

For me a MONO approach of only organic draft picks without Buddy the last 9 season would have been a complete joke.

Take Buddy away from our team the last 9 seasons ie a player we went out and secured to better our team dramatically............well we would probably look like the Bombers.......wouldnt we ?

[Ludwig]

Luddy

mate i must admit i take the opposite view re yours and organic being enough.........we are in a window right now and for the next few years. We could have kept Dawson at $600k pa but decided against it at the last minute. So that money plus Georgie boys is available. We have players like Stephens and or Gould who could bring a nice trade for picks and maintain our depth. And lets be fair, we are very good at finding strong players at pick 30s and 40s ie Goodes, Parker, Warner, McInerny, Paps etc

For Hawthorn to be who there were over many championship years, a dominant top4 team and winner of a few GFs they had to go outside the Hawthorn club to remain a serious threat via attracting the likes f Shaun Burgoyne, Jack Gunston, Brian Lake and Josh Gibson who stood tall and delivered as part of their success.

For Geelong to be so incredibly resilient and consistent they have recruited experienced players year after year to maintain the possibility of being a GF winner.

For me a MONO approach of only organic draft picks without Buddy the last 9 season would have been a complete joke.

Take Buddy away from our team the last 9 seasons ie a player we went out and secured to better our team dramatically............well we would probably look like the Bombers.......wouldnt we ?

It's a different story with Buddy. We already had a mature team and Buddy was 27, not 31. We needed a key forward.

It's not the money. It's that Dusty is on the way out and will become a focus for a team when other, younger players, should be the focus. We already have a Dusty type player in Heeney. We don't need another one, especially one that past his best.

I can't see how Dusty helps the Swans. But I can see several ways how he hurts the Swans. Takes a big chunk of cap space. Keeps a developing player out of the team. Changes the psychology of the group. It will make them feel inadequate that we had to bring in this outsider to fix our problems. Confidence killer.

[Maltopia]

It's a different story with Buddy. We already had a mature team and Buddy was 27, not 31. We needed a key forward.

It's not the money. It's that Dusty is on the way out and will become a focus for a team when other, younger players, should be the focus. We already have a Dusty type player in Heeney. We don't need another one, especially one that past his best.

I can't see how Dusty helps the Swans. But I can see several ways how he hurts the Swans. Takes a big chunk of cap space. Keeps a developing player out of the team. Changes the psychology of the group. It will make them feel inadequate that we had to bring in this outsider to fix our problems. Confidence killer.

I am not saying Dusty is the answer, but I would have thought many of our players would be excited to have him in the team rather than feeling inadequate that one of the best players in the last decade, and one of the best finals performers was brought in.

He is definitely a massive upgrade on a Hayward/Florent/Rowbottom. Players know there are elite players who are better than them, just as they know they are ahead of some others who aren't getting games.

The part I am uncomfortable with is the salary commitment and who we might have to trade, or what draft picks we need to give up to get a trade done. Keeping a developing player out? We are going to have some retirements soon to counter some of that, e.g., Kennedy and Rampe.

[TheBloods]

It's a different story with Buddy. We already had a mature team and Buddy was 27, not 31. We needed a key forward.

It's not the money. It's that Dusty is on the way out and will become a focus for a team when other, younger players, should be the focus. We already have a Dusty type player in Heeney. We don't need another one, especially one that past his best.

I can't see how Dusty helps the Swans. But I can see several ways how he hurts the Swans. Takes a big chunk of cap space. Keeps a developing player out of the team. Changes the psychology of the group. It will make them feel inadequate that we had to bring in this outsider to fix our problems. Confidence killer.

What younger players ?

Chad Jmac Gulden Blakey Mccartin will be elite thats it

Campbel Stephens Mcdonald too soon to tell

Gus Roberts other Warner still green

Florent Hayward decent at best

Wicks Mclean Amartey Gould are all 1 contract away from being delisted

Who are these younger players ? There arent many . We have seriously overrated them and over estimated how many keepers we actually have on this list , thats why we are going for Dusty . And yep its desperate but we have good reason to be !

[Ludwig]

When Dusty plays midfield he is most like Chad. So what happens? I suppose Chad has to defer to the overpaid star Dusty and let him be the one to burst out of the stoppages. I suppose Chad will have to become a tagger until Dusty retires.

Doesn't sound like the right solution to me. I want Chad to continue to develop in the role as our key burst player from stoppages. Chad may already be better than Dusty in this regard.

[Maltopia]

When Dusty plays midfield he is most like Chad. So what happens? I suppose Chad has to defer to the overpaid star Dusty and let him be the one to burst out of the stoppages. I suppose Chad will have to become a tagger until Dusty retires.

Doesn't sound like the right solution to me. I want Chad to continue to develop in the role as our key burst player from stoppages. Chad may already be better than Dusty in this regard.

Dusty is 31, he will have a mix of midfield and forward. I think Hayward would be the one pushed out if we were to get Dusty. Or Parker goes forward more often.

[dejavoodoo44]

When Dusty plays midfield he is most like Chad. So what happens? I suppose Chad has to defer to the overpaid star Dusty and let him be the one to burst out of the stoppages. I suppose Chad will have to become a tagger until Dusty retires.

Doesn't sound like the right solution to me. I want Chad to continue to develop in the role as our key burst player from stoppages. Chad may already be better than Dusty in this regard.

And early in the season, it could have been argued that Heeney was playing the Dusty role, better than Dusty was. As in, a midfielder who spends a majority of their time in the forward line, who's absolutely lethal in finishing off forward movements.

[KSAS]

I'm seeing 2 views with the potential of Dusty coming to us.
FOR: We're in premiership window next few years and Dusty could well be the difference for us winning flag(s). As a result, worth risking hits on our Salary Cap, draft picks and losing players in order to make this happen. Will help advance our young list.

Against: Not worth the risking for above mention reasons on a aging player who might be on the decline, becoming injury prone with personal baggage which may lead to early retirement. Drafts picks/Salary cap wasted on Dusty could be better used on drafting/trading players to fill holes on our list for now and into the future.

Compelling arguments on both sides. I slightly lean towards the "Against" at this point because I think we could still win flag without Dusty in the next few years.

FWIW. In the pre-season a Richmond mate with club sources told me Dusty was coming to us at season's end. I laughed it off and didn't bother posting, such how how far fetched it seemed at the time especially considering being contracted for another 2 yeas and cost in picks/salary to secure him.

[111431]

I'm seeing 2 views with the potential of Dusty coming to us.
FOR: We're in premiership window next few years and Dusty could well be the difference for us winning flag(s). As a result, worth risking hits on our Salary Cap, draft picks and losing players in order to make this happen. Will help advance our young list.

Against: Not worth the risking for above mention reasons on a aging player who might be on the decline, becoming injury prone with personal baggage which may lead to early retirement. Drafts picks/Salary cap wasted on Dusty could be better used on drafting/trading players to fill holes on our list for now and into the future.

Compelling arguments on both sides. I slightly lean towards the "Against" at this point because I think we could still win flag without Dusty in the next few years.

FWIW. In the pre-season a Richmond mate with club sources told me Dusty was coming to us at season's end. I laughed it off and didn't bother posting, such how how far fetched it seemed at the time especially considering being contracted for another 2 yeas and cost in picks/salary to secure him.

I'm in the against camp. He is becoming injury prone, he seems disinterested, salary cap impact and the impact on younger player development would be damaging

[SwanSand]

I'm in the against camp. He is becoming injury prone, he seems disinterested, salary cap impact and the impact on younger player development would be damaging

Add to it that he will be leaving the one club he has known all his life and that he has won three premierships. So much for motivation in your thirties to do well.

Don’t get me wrong he will be better than what we can get out of fringe players but will he be the one who at half motivation would make us premiership favourite? I doubt it.

Buddy on decline and half motivated Dusty next year will kill us as a footy club.

He is most likely to go to GWS for exchange with Tim Taranto and Tanner Bruhn. Richmond then pay some of his salary too.