2023 List Management

[dejavoodoo44]

I do not agree with any compensation being given to clubs when the lose a free agent. In the Mackay case the compensation is being unfairly born by all the other seventeen clubs who all move down a pick. A much greater impact on weaker clubs like Hawthorn who drop from pick 3 to pick 4 than Collingwood who drop from pick 18 to 19 and so on through all subsequent rounds. The whole compensation issue is unfair and requires the weaker clubs who received the higher picks to do the heavy lifting. Why should North or any club receive compensation for free agency. They have received their value from the player who has served his time and has earned the right to go where he might choose.

The Mackay case just exposes how ludicrous the system is when North get a pick 3 when if they traded Mackay they would likely not get better than a second round pick.

Tend to agree. Although I suppose there's a couple of arguments for compensation. Firstly, players are more likely to be attracted to traditionally powerful clubs, so maybe it helps the weaker clubs that lose those players? Also, NSW and Queensland might be more affected by the go home factor, so it possibly lessens the blow of losing players? Whether it plays out like that in the real world, I don't know? I mean, I suspect that the go home factor is more likely to strike 2 or 3 years into a contract, rather than after 8 years at a club.

And as you say, what is North actually being compensated for? They drafted him with pick 21 in 2015, so they've had a reasonable return on that pick. And I'm not sure how missing out on the playing time between restricted free agent and unrestricted free agent, equates to a pick 3 for North, when he was originally drafted with pick 21? Like, it's not as if he's set the AFL world on fire. During that time, he's played 71 games for 8 wins, averaged just over 10 possessions a game, has not made an All Australian team, has not placed in North's B & F and hasn't even collected a Brownlow vote.

There's also the suspicion that the compensation rules are being manipulated, with clubs heavily front ending contracts, in order to trigger higher compensation. There's actually been a bit of chatter, that North might be willing to trade that pick 3 to Essendon. Which if true, seems like something that the AFL probably should nip in the bud.

[Roadrunner]

Yes, ZZ's a top athlete. He's got legs and he knows how to use them.

ZZ top are pretty good on guitars too!????

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Yes, ZZ's a top athlete. He's got legs and he knows how to use them.

ZZ top are pretty good on guitars too!????

Looks good in his highlights, and off-field, he's a sharp dressed man.

[i'm-uninformed2]

An interesting interview with Gould. I don't want to interpret demeanour with a 22yo who's not too accustomed to media but he sounds like a pretty laid back but reflective guy. A few things:

- He said his preference is to be a half back, which is interesting in the context of his switch forward late season, and acknowledged he's not a KPD
- He spoke well of the Swans, its leaders and standards and his time there, but acknowleged it didn't work and he's angling for a pre-season/mid-season/supplementary style spot
- He conceded he came into the system unfit and you have to wonder how far back he was as a consequence.

I found the last one interesting and this is not to either excuse him or hang him, but I always wondered if he was someone that particularly suffered from entering the system during the two years of COVID, which probably limited his capacity to get the sustained, hard and relentless training and playing conditions needed to get himself up to speed.

“Not much point in coming back”: Why delisted Swan is looking for new opportunities

[Blood Fever]

Might get another crack after year in SANFL

[liz]

Maybe. I suspect he doesn't have the pace or agility to be a half-back flanker in the AFL system. Most players playing that position have some serious wheels nowadays. Those that don't have precison, laser-like kick. Will doesn't have that either.

[waswan]

I think Gould saying i will get super fit and have another crack or words to that effect says it all

Re trade
I hope Sydney just get Grundy done 1st, get Stephens done then worry about Adams.

If its 25, get back 41 or get them on the hook for 150k

[barry]

Amartey's place in the best 23 is in doubt. I think a fit ladhams or Reid would be ahead of him.

[Dow]

Amartey's place in the best 23 is in doubt. I think a fit ladhams or Reid would be ahead of him.

I think a spot in our forward line is going to be hard to get this year lots of competition which can only be a good thing

[Blood Fever]

Amartey will probably start in best 23 but competition would be healthy. Looks like Houdini Reid has survived.

[waswan]

Amartey's place in the best 23 is in doubt. I think a fit ladhams or Reid would be ahead of him.

I hope Reid is only seen as a defender and leave the fwd line for Logan, Amartey, Mclean and the resting ruck

Reid > Hamling
Ladhams > Amartey

IMHO alot will depend on fitness

[gloveski]

Let’s also not leave out Buller , think with a full preseason he could be a surprise packet


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[Markwebbos]

I'm not convinced that Collingwood aren't entirely fine with Adams leaving. If they were determined to keep him they'd pretend to negotiate by asking for our pick 11 (or wherever it currently sits). He's supposedly on a large contract next year - the result of some back-ending. If he's agreed to come to us on a three year deal I imagine the effect is to smooth that out over a longer period. But if he stays, Collingwood will have to pick up his full tab next year and then risk losing him, probably for no compensation given his age, as an unrestricted free agent.

They're in a premiership window, so do they think that Adams will make it more likely for them next year? Not sure, but they didn't play him much in the midfield this year and have Mitchell. I suspect they'd been chatting up Schultz for a while, maybe with a view to bringing him in as a free agent next year. But once Adams asked to be traded, they maybe convinced Schultz to bring his move forward a year. He'll slot into the half-forward pressure role that Adams has been partly playing this year. And now that Schultz has gone public, he/they won't want to backtrack unless it becomes clear that Freo aren't going to let Schultz go this year.

There's an awful lot of posturing they go through (all the clubs) before they finally land on the sensible position that was obvious from the start.

Liz, I think that's basically correct. This article supports that

AFL trade news 2023: Tuesday October 10 trade blog, live chat, latest updates, done deals, signings, rumours

The gist of it is that all the VIC clubs were aware Schultz wanted to come home next year, but the Adams trade request has opened up salary cap space and a spot in the forward line for him to come this year.

I don't know if the Pies are posturing so that they can get a pick from us that they can use to recruit Schultz, despite the 5 year age difference?

The Pies problem is that they are now committed to Schultz, which means that they have to trade out Adams. We don't have to bring Adams in, so I'd say we've got the upper hand, a fact of which KB will be well aware.

Melbourne have got a similar problem with Fullarton / Grundy. Although our need for a ruckman puts us at something of a disadvantage.

I'm quietly confident that the Grundy and Adams deals will get done. If it was me I'd hand over pick 25 for Grundy and put the ball back in the Pies court.

[waswan]

Let’s also not leave out Buller , think with a full preseason he could be a surprise packet


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Yes Buller and Arnold, fwd and back.
Hopefully we jag one there

[liz]

Has Reid ever actually played as a defender? Other than being stuck as a loose extra behind the ball in the last few minutes of a quarter?

I suspect he might have made a good defender had he been switched back early in his career. But it seems a bit much to expect him to become a true KPD at this stage of his career.