2023 List Management

[Jimitron5000]

The McKay compensation is a touch generous and up there with Melbourne getting pick 3 for James Frawley a few years back. From memory that turned out ok for them with Petracca and Brayshaw being the draftees (Paddy was pick 1).
In any case, the compensation system needs to be worked on. They have point system for picks, maybe they could use that in some fashion (eg determine the pick a player is worth and use the equivalent point value, at a discount, that the receiving club has to cough up to get the player).

Also, The Age says that Melbourne has knocked back our first offer for Grundy.

[KSAS]

The AGE reporting Melbourne has knocked back our first offer for Grundy (couldn't obtain further details of our offer being a paywall article).

[stevoswan]

Harmes has been traded to the Fairypups.

[rickmat]

And for a Future 3rd round pick. Harmes going very cheap. So what will it take to get Grundy?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Harmes was reportedly on $500k next season

Maybe the lower draft pick balances out what the Dogs had to take on?

[longmile]

Gulden rated the most valuable player in the AFL

The most valuable players in the AFL? Gulden and Daicos leading the best crop of young guns in years – HPN

I note Caleb Serong is very high on that list too

[Ludwig]

This is a snapshot of the draft combine results. Cleary managed 5th place in the 2km time trial.

West Australian bolter blitzes draft combine - Aussie Rules Rookie Me Central

The guy that they feature, Zane Zakostelsky, is somebody who could be on our radar, if we're looking for a KPD and miss out on O'Connor and Murphy. He's a 196cm West Australian basketball convert, who reportedly rapidly improved as the season progressed. And his numbers are probably a little bit more impressive, when you consider that he was the youngest player at the combine.

I'm jumping on the ZZ Top bandwagon. I love having players whose name no one can spell. His combine was impressive. So was Cleary.


It's too hard and probably a time waster to try to figure out trade details just yet. There are too many permutations and so much yet to play out.

If we can't trade up to get a crack at O'Sullivan in the draft, I wouldn't mind trading down and using the point gain for another purpose, for which I won't conjecture just yet. Too many permutations.

[Thunder Shaker]

AFL website is stating that Collingwood and Melbourne both want Sydney's pick 25.

Inside Trading: Battle for Swans' pick, Saint set to stay, North's draft call (afl.com.au)

[Captain]

AFL website is stating that Collingwood and Melbourne both want Sydney's pick 25.

Inside Trading: Battle for Swans' pick, Saint set to stay, North's draft call (afl.com.au)

Melbourne are a joke if they are wanting that. Was less than they gave Collingwood when they actually wanted Grundy.

Collingwood asking for 25 is probably more realistic. They don't want to lose Adams and will play hardball.

[waswan]

Normal early trade period antics.
Melbournes deal is all about how much, if any they will continue to pay and we are asking the Pies for a contracted Vice Captain, no one here would take Pick 30 for Parker

[liz]

I'm not convinced that Collingwood aren't entirely fine with Adams leaving. If they were determined to keep him they'd pretend to negotiate by asking for our pick 11 (or wherever it currently sits). He's supposedly on a large contract next year - the result of some back-ending. If he's agreed to come to us on a three year deal I imagine the effect is to smooth that out over a longer period. But if he stays, Collingwood will have to pick up his full tab next year and then risk losing him, probably for no compensation given his age, as an unrestricted free agent.

They're in a premiership window, so do they think that Adams will make it more likely for them next year? Not sure, but they didn't play him much in the midfield this year and have Mitchell. I suspect they'd been chatting up Schultz for a while, maybe with a view to bringing him in as a free agent next year. But once Adams asked to be traded, they maybe convinced Schultz to bring his move forward a year. He'll slot into the half-forward pressure role that Adams has been partly playing this year. And now that Schultz has gone public, he/they won't want to backtrack unless it becomes clear that Freo aren't going to let Schultz go this year.

There's an awful lot of posturing they go through (all the clubs) before they finally land on the sensible position that was obvious from the start.

[dejavoodoo44]

I'm jumping on the ZZ Top bandwagon. I love having players whose name no one can spell. His combine was impressive. So was Cleary.


It's too hard and probably a time waster to try to figure out trade details just yet. There are too many permutations and so much yet to play out.

If we can't trade up to get a crack at O'Sullivan in the draft, I wouldn't mind trading down and using the point gain for another purpose, for which I won't conjecture just yet. Too many permutations.

Yes, ZZ's a top athlete. He's got legs and he knows how to use them.

[i'm-uninformed2]

I think the thing with Collingwood is they need Adams to go for the pick they want from us as part of getting Schultz out of Freo (including possibly cap space).

I'd be prepared to give them 25 (knowing it's going to drift back to around 30 anyway), if there's then something that is swapped around at the back end to either help us land Grundy. Ie: we also swap our pick 46 with the Pies 38, and we're more comfortably simply shipping 33 to the Dees for Grundy. We've still kept pick (now) 12 untouched, and have a bit to fiddle round with our residual picks to cover Cleary and one of Kinnear's late draft specials.

There was a bit of me inclined to get 25 when it was ranked higher (before all the crap compo picks pushed it down) and bundle with then pick 11 and offer to the Cats. But given the diminishing value of those picks, not sure they'd bite and not sure it'd get us a shot at O'Sullivan or Murphy anyway. The draft is so absurdly compromised this year it's a crap shoot and finding a late gem will be the art.

[Thunder Shaker]

Melbourne are a joke if they are wanting that. Was less than they gave Collingwood when they actually wanted Grundy.

Collingwood asking for 25 is probably more realistic. They don't want to lose Adams and will play hardball.

On Grundy and Adams: Both trades may be held up a bit until the Swans know what they will get for Stephens.

I suspect both trades also involve who pays for both players' salaries. Collingwood and Melbourne must be dreaming fever dreams if they want an early second-round pick for the players and the Swans are paying the salaries as well.

[Thunder Shaker]

I do not agree with any compensation being given to clubs when the lose a free agent. In the Mackay case the compensation is being unfairly born by all the other seventeen clubs who all move down a pick. A much greater impact on weaker clubs like Hawthorn who drop from pick 3 to pick 4 than Collingwood who drop from pick 18 to 19 and so on through all subsequent rounds. The whole compensation issue is unfair and requires the weaker clubs who received the higher picks to do the heavy lifting. Why should North or any club receive compensation for free agency. They have received their value from the player who has served his time and has earned the right to go where he might choose.

The Mackay case just exposes how ludicrous the system is when North get a pick 3 when if they traded Mackay they would likely not get better than a second round pick.

I posted some time ago on free agency compensation, where I made similar criticisms, such as the uninvolved clubs being pushed down in the draft.

I suggested two possible fixes:
1. The destination club pays draft points for the player to fund the compensation pick at a 20% discount.
2. Get rid of the compensation picks. The player enters the draft. When they are called, the destination club can choose to match the bid, and pay draft points for the player at a 20% discount. If the destination club chooses not to match the bid, the player stays with their original club.

Both methods have flaws, but so does the free agency system as currently implemented.