2023 List Management

[Maltopia]

So according to 707, our 12, 45 and 55 (and 91) are going to be around 16, 43 and 47 (and late 70s perhaps), depending on whether there is a matched bid also on Graham from Gold Coast before one or more of our picks.

I assume we lose our pick 91 as we don’t have four list spots, unless we delist another player to possibly re-rookie them.

[liz]

So according to 707, our 12, 45 and 55 (and 91) are going to be around 16, 43 and 47 (and late 70s perhaps), depending on whether there is a matched bid also on Graham from Gold Coast before one or more of our picks.

I assume we lose our pick 91 as we don’t have four list spots, unless we delist another player to possibly re-rookie them.

We do actually have four spots. The spot that Fox will occupy on the senior list is considered vacant at the time of the draft. His elevation happens later. So I think (though I'm not 100% certain) that we theoretically carry that pick (and attached points) into the draft. Not that it matters that much. That late pick is unlikely to have any points attached at a point that a bid comes for Cleary.

[707]

Yes I understand the extra picks coming into the first round but they are not new picks. They are second round picks that move up into the first round through the matching process. They are not created out of thin air.

Our pick 12 will be pick 15/16 by the time it goes on the clock. It was pushed out by the creation of new picks before it.

The new picks were "paid" for by the extinguishing of picks in the 20's, 30', 40's, 50's and 60's. It why on draft night picks oscillate in and out depending on where the new picks are created and where the extinguished picks were.

That's why pick 45 comes in one or two but pick 55 comes in eight or so, because Dogs and Hawks are paying for their newly created pick with picks after pick 45.

FWIW, the last pick that carries points, very little points though, is pick 73.

This is why the whole drafting and points system needs an overhaul to more truly reflect real life values of picks as dictated by clubs themselves in their trading of picks with other clubs.

The value graph of picks needs to be much steeper and needs to flatten out earlier to eventually be of little value by 50'ish. In the real world no club is trading pick 2 for three late 20's picks, but this is what GC will pay for Walter at pick 2.

[sharp9]

That’s “affect” the draft…no “effect” the draft. Can’t seem to edit. It’s OK grammar maxis I’ve got you covered. ????

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Poop my post disappeared. Short version….we DO have pick 12 not 15 or 16. Academy and father-son picks have no effect in the draft. They don’t affect air at all. ????

[BRS328]

rb4x
You are spot on. Any pick after pick 18 is essentially a second round pick. Unfortunately there are some who believe all first round picks are gold. The reality is the top 10 picks fit into this category. History will tell you this is the case. Yes there are some gems out there and this is where the smart recruiters earn their money

[rojo]

Cal Twomey's 5th Phantom Form Guide list of likely draft positions and interested teams is out. Sydney is mentioned 1st in the list of interested teams in Charlie Edwards at 21, and Will Green at 25. Also mentioned 4th in the list of those interested in Tholstrup at 16, and 5th in Geoge Stevens at 30. Very interesting. Any one of those would be good but our list management seldom or never choose a player mentioned on such lists!

[Thunder Shaker]

Twomey's form guide lists the following players as being of possible interest to Sydney:

12 James Leake
14 Jordan Croft (F/S)
16 Koltyn Tholstrup
21 Charlie Edwards
25 Will Green
30 George Stevens

[SwanSand]

Twomey's form guide lists the following players as being of possible interest to Sydney:

12 James Leake
14 Jordan Croft (F/S)
16 Koltyn Tholstrup
21 Charlie Edwards
25 Will Green
30 George Stevens

Are we also looking at Zane Zakostelsky ? I am sure he is not a first rounder but seems very solid in defence and is tall.

[Maltopia]

Twomey's form guide lists the following players as being of possible interest to Sydney:

12 James Leake
14 Jordan Croft (F/S)
16 Koltyn Tholstrup
21 Charlie Edwards
25 Will Green
30 George Stevens

Pick 30 is about what we should have paid for Stephens.

[Thunder Shaker]

Are we also looking at Zane Zakostelsky ? I am sure he is not a first rounder but seems very solid in defence and is tall.

Zane Zakostelsky is not on the list, which is limited to 30 players.

[troyjones2525]

Just looking at his draft profile and highlights, I'd be very happy if we drafted Edwards! A 191cm midfielder who looks composed and has a bit of burst speed from stoppages is just what we need if he can build some strength and his contested game! Some of those highlights out of the middle reminded me a little of Clayton Oliver, who coincidentally was another who was a late bloomer in his draft year who shot into high draft pick calculations.

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[Auntie.Gerald]

Given we picked up that future pick 22ish ie the North Melb last first rounder - and the loss of the future second rounder ……..I wonder how we see the top30 this season vs next?

There are some very interesting players in the and around the top30 that could actually leap frog roberts and or Gus within a season of hard training.

If we see a player like a Charlie Edwards as being a very promising Snr type player and maybe even more potential than say Gus or Roberts - I wonder if we will pull the trigger and try and move our pick 45 up?

Ie using our future late first round pick in some way?

Ie if we have no fear of CCleary going early

To get two exciting mid projects and a key tall…… that would be a great haul

[Auntie.Gerald]

Depending on what happens in round 1 for the Suns they may not need all of this years picks 24,26,27,32,36,38 ??

As round 1 unfolds the Suns maybe happy to trade one of or a mix of picks in exchange-for our future first rounder “IF” we have our eyes on 3 important players in and around the top30?

I suppose it all depends where we place a couple of our players that our on our list right now - are we moving an existing squad player to the rookie list that frees up space?

Who knows

Our future pick 22ish and this seasons pick 45 for the Suns current pick 24 and say pick 32 or 36 might put the cat amongst the pigeons

Now that would be interesting;

2023 - pick 12, pick 24, pick 32, pick 55 (48ish)
2024 - first rounder, third rounder, fourth rounder

Or

2023 we combine the possible picks 12,24,32 into a serous pick in the top10 or we combine 24 and 32 into much better single pick?

So many combos depending on perceived talent and or if we are using two or three serious picks ?

And also where we best bet CCleary will be drafted??

[Auntie.Gerald]

BTW….. Cal has 10 of the first 30 players that are all around 200cms

7 of them a ruckman

That’s the highest weighting in the top30 I have seen of ruckman for a long time

[troyjones2525]

Yeah, it's interesting to see if this year is not as talented or deep as previous years, as 7 ruckman in the top 30 is highly unusual considering most sides prefer to pick them with later selections due to the time they usually take to develop and also the hit and miss history with a quality ruckman.

It might mean that there isn't a lot of quality smaller players (mids/hff/hbf) this year compared to most other years.

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