2023 List Management

[Auntie.Gerald]

Muddy is that totally true what u said above or partly true?

Melb and Geelong and Brisvegas have enjoyed incredible versatility from their dominant ruck

Havent they?

Richmond and Nannygate looked like they dictated terms vs Hickey don’t they?

[Ludwig]

Max Gawn is the Dean Cox of this generation. Dominant in the ruck and dominant around the ground. A rare breed. Great if you have one, but most don't.

Hickey is doing it hard atm. He looks totally shot. I don't know what his future is.

I'm not a fan of Nathan Buckley, but we agree on one point, which is, if you know you will lose the ruck contest, you can play to it. It's when you're not sure how it will go is when you get in trouble, because you can't train to set up for it. It's a lot easier to plan to lose the ruck than win in. So it makes sense to me to play to lose the ruck.

[Auntie.Gerald]

There is no doubt that some teams when playing an inferior ruckman simply negate.the impact of the dominant ruckman. Ie make the opposition ruckman where ever possible tap down into a small area to contest.

This is quite often complimented with the opposition middle players standing on the outside and squeezing the opposing mids towards the contest and a small area to contest.

But this doesn’t mean that is triumphant as we have observed this season and every other season.

An AFL side can win possession of the ball from one of three basic sources: clearances, kick-ins after behinds, or turnovers.

Although many pundits often focus on the former, it is the latter from which scoring is most often generated. In fact, about two-thirds of all points usually come from turnovers.

So why is the 3 times premiership winningtigers not dominating now when they did dominate for so long via focussing their impact away from the centre contest and creating turnover footy down field in their backline?

Why have t other teams been able to simply replicate this successful blueprint and create their attack from a rebounding backline?

[111431]

Max Gawn is the Dean Cox of this generation. Dominant in the ruck and dominant around the ground. A rare breed. Great if you have one, but most don't.

Hickey is doing it hard atm. He looks totally shot. I don't know what his future is.

I'm not a fan of Nathan Buckley, but we agree on one point, which is, if you know you will lose the ruck contest, you can play to it. It's when you're not sure how it will go is when you get in trouble, because you can't train to set up for it. It's a lot easier to plan to lose the ruck than win in. So it makes sense to me to play to lose the ruck.

I think this is poor strategy. The attacking midfielder with the dominant ruck will hit the contest at speed (ie Dangerfield) and quickly put the ball into attack. You can try to negate but it will be a losing result. If we can all remember the year before Big Tommy arrived we were useless in the middle ( when we had Joshy) and we’re beaten badly. You need a competent ruck always. BTW, i was never a ruckman but a midfielder who enjoyed playing with a good ruckman

[Ludwig]

I think this is poor strategy. The attacking midfielder with the dominant ruck will hit the contest at speed (ie Dangerfield) and quickly put the ball into attack. You can try to negate but it will be a losing result. If we can all remember the year before Big Tommy arrived we were useless in the middle ( when we had Joshy) and we’re beaten badly. You need a competent ruck always. BTW, i was never a ruckman but a midfielder who enjoyed playing with a good ruckman

I'm just reporting that Nathan Buckley said it was his strategy at times and it was a winning strategy, so long as it was part of the game plan.

[Roadrunner]

I'm just reporting that Nathan Buckley said it was his strategy at times and it was a winning strategy, so long as it was part of the game plan.

If Buckey is referring to his playing days, then yes as he was a superbly gifted player. But lesser players, and most would fit into this category, would be at a disadvantage most of the time playing to a losing ruck imho.

[707]

John Ralph reporting we are into Barrass but will cost two first rounders. Big pass from me on the basis he's not coming to us willingly, age at start of next season and how many years service we may get, huge draft capital cost.

Big yes to the versatile already local Himmelberg just give him more than GWS can match and it's costing no draft capital then load up at the ND. We'll get someone of the type we desire with our first and potentially very good, before having to match Cleary

This is probably a watershed trade/ND for us

[crackedactor 01]

John Ralph reporting we are into Barrass but will cost two first rounders. Big pass from me on the basis he's not coming to us willingly age start of next season and how many years service we may get.

Off the versatile already local Himmelberg costing no draft capital and load up at the ND. We'll get someone of the type we desire and potentially very good before having to match Cleary

Barass is 28 years old. Two first round picks -are you kidding?

[Blood Fever]

Gun player

[dejavoodoo44]

John Ralph reporting we are into Barrass but will cost two first rounders. Big pass from me on the basis he's not coming to us willingly, age at start of next season and how many years service we may get, huge draft capital cost.

Big yes to the versatile already local Himmelberg just give him more than GWS can match and it's costing no draft capital then load up at the ND. We'll get someone of the type we desire with our first and potentially very good, before having to match Cleary

This is probably a watershed trade/ND for us

I think one of the draft rankings has Connor O'Sullivan as playing like Tom Barrrass. Possibly should use just one first round pick on someone quicker, more skilful and taller; who could give us an extra ten years service

[liz]

"Two first rounders" is a bit vague. Picks 17 and 18 are "two first rounders". So are picks 1 and 2. They are clearly not equivalent.

If we had two picks in the teens, as we did last year, I would have no problem trading them for Barrass. But I'd wince (hard) if the Swans gave up even pick 4/5/6/7/8 (or wherever it lands) for a 28 year old who is very good, but has never been spoken about in terms of being one of the top 3 or 4 key defenders in the league. He's not Sam Taylor or Darcy Moore.

[troyjones2525]

John Ralph reporting we are into Barrass but will cost two first rounders. Big pass from me on the basis he's not coming to us willingly, age at start of next season and how many years service we may get, huge draft capital cost.

Big yes to the versatile already local Himmelberg just give him more than GWS can match and it's costing no draft capital then load up at the ND. We'll get someone of the type we desire with our first and potentially very good, before having to match Cleary

This is probably a watershed trade/ND for us

Totally agree. Hard pass if those are the terms. I prefer Himmelberg myself anyway as he is far more damaging by foot coming from defence.

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[troyjones2525]

"Two first rounders" is a bit vague. Picks 17 and 18 are "two first rounders". So are picks 1 and 2. They are clearly not equivalent.

If we had two picks in the teens, as we did last year, I would have no problem trading them for Barrass. But I'd wince (hard) if the Swans gave up even pick 4/5/6/7/8 (or wherever it lands) for a 28 year old who is very good, but has never been spoken about in terms of being one of the top 3 or 4 key defenders in the league. He's not Sam Taylor or Darcy Moore.

+1

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[waswan]

Im always amazed what a 1st rounder can land and id hate for us to get the raw end of a deal for Barass.

Dawson was pick 17.

A late first and they pay some money or an early 2nd and we pay the money

[rb4x]

After the Swans v Eagles game many supporters on Bigfooty were calling or Barass to be given to the Swans. Would take those terms or even Bowes type inducements. No way we give up our first round one pick. Eagles will be desperate to rebuild so all of their so called stars will be on the trade table. We have a number of academy players to consider this year. Cleary may go before our first round 2 pick. Cabor, Gander, Rider, May and Kirk will all need to be considered as rookies or VFL selections. Agree that O'Sullivan would be of better value for the future.